List Management for 2020/21

[GVGjr]

Do we have the cap space to realistically do that and the ability to share mid minutes?

If it's yes to the first, the second part can surely only be answered by playing Bont forward. I actually wonder how bad Bont's hip(s) are and if playing forward would help, but that's another question for another thread.

Regarding the minutes, with McLean a likely out for the year and with a bit of a reshuffle we can probably share the load.
Regarding the cap, we appear to be giving signals that it's possible. That might depend on either how much Collinwood can contribute and if Treloar considers a restructure of him contract. Apparently 2021 is the lowest of the remaining years

[The Adelaide Connection]

Sir, I understand that. I do. On the other hand though, it's only had two owners, the last was an old loud mouth gentleman, and it's done mainly Toorak KMs and touring. Plus my manager says if I sell it today, I can throw in a free cut and polish, 50% of next service voucher and new floor mats. So what do you say, let's do some paperwork!

But should we be shopping for a luxury sedan? I thought we were desperately in need of a ute, a solid 4x4 defensive SUV, and a zippy little hatch.

I suppose we could load up the luxury sedan with all of the crap we really want the ute to be carrying around (ala Dunkley), or throw one of our sedans forward to be a slightly slower version of what we actually need, but wouldn't it just make sense to get a ute or a hatch?

[bulldogtragic]

But should we be shopping for a luxury sedan? I thought we were desperately in need of a ute, a solid 4x4 defensive SUV, and a zippy little hatch.

I suppose we could load up the luxury sedan with all of the crap we really want the ute to be carrying around (ala Dunkley), or throw one of our sedans forward to be a slightly slower version of what we actually need, but wouldn't it just make sense to get a ute or a hatch?

Look, dual axel failure is rare. I’ll go talk to my manager and see what we can do. He almost always says no, but I will tell him you’re a ripping guy and see if he can do me a favour. If I can get some more from him, can I tell him you will sign today?

[1eyedog]

Look, dual axel failure is rare. I’ll go talk to my manager and see what we can do. He almost always says no, but I will tell him you’re a ripping guy and see if he can do me a favour. If I can get some more from him, can I tell him you will sign today?

Sure. Pay 250k and a second rounder and show me where to scribble the John Doe.

[azabob]

You pay for what you get mate. And you said he doesn't make us better. Five years is shit but it comes back to my initial question. Want a better chance at a flag now?

Yes, I want a better chance at a flag now and yes Treloar does that.

[Vred]

I still reckon we also chase J Stephenson, not sure why we aren't into him more than we are Treloar.

[jazzadogs]

Yes, I want a better chance at a flag now and yes Treloar does that.

What about if the size of Treloar's contract means we can't offer Bailey Smith what he deserves in a couple of years, and he leaves?

It's all well and good to say 'only the next two years matters if we win a flag' but it's five years of significant salary cap space that we need to consider. If he didn't have his contract in place, I don't think you would offer him more than three years.

[comrade]

Treloar isn't going to be the difference in winning a flag in the next 2 years anyway.

[GVGjr]

What about if the size of Treloar's contract means we can't offer Bailey Smith what he deserves in a couple of years, and he leaves?

It's all well and good to say 'only the next two years matters if we win a flag' but it's five years of significant salary cap space that we need to consider. If he didn't have his contract in place, I don't think you would offer him more than three years.

There is no question it's a fine line that every club tries to balance and that is why it's so important that clubs be honest with their assessment of where their best opportunities are. It's no good chasing some high priced players if your window is 2 or 3 years away

Hard to know where we are placed because our form line hasn't been convincing but I suspect it could be worth rolling the dice and taking a chance. If we become competitive in finals then the likes of Bailey Smith, Naughton and many other youngsters will all want to stay. If we stay competitive but not really threatening to win the flag players will start looking at other options

Lets not focus on the downsides of this because there is an upside if we were to land him.

[azabob]

Forget about what we trade for Trelor my concern is his 5 year deal at $900K a year.

That seriously blows up our cap especially for not our most pressing need.

This has trouble in year 4 & 5 written all over it.

What about if the size of Treloar's contract means we can't offer Bailey Smith what he deserves in a couple of years, and he leaves?

It's all well and good to say 'only the next two years matters if we win a flag' but it's five years of significant salary cap space that we need to consider. If he didn't have his contract in place, I don't think you would offer him more than three years.

JD you have definitely taken me out of context. See above my very first post from last night.

The post you have quoted is in response to 1eyedog about team success.

[dog town]

If you get Treloar from 2017-2019 he is exactly what our midfield needs but I don’t really want to lose the grunt Dunkley provides in getting him.

Treloar exits stoppages quickly and peels off the shoulder of his opponent to space really well.

In open play he finds space on the slow play or can get forward of the ball for a releasing handball or 1-2 when it’s a fast transition which really suits what we need. Gives us a completely different look and profile around the ball.

His kicking is more careless than anything it’s not a major technical flaw, guys that play a frenetic style like him rarely have great touch and finesse.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

What about if the size of Treloar's contract means we can't offer Bailey Smith what he deserves in a couple of years, and he leaves?

It's all well and good to say 'only the next two years matters if we win a flag' but it's five years of significant salary cap space that we need to consider. If he didn't have his contract in place, I don't think you would offer him more than three years.

Lot of ifs there though. What if Smith and Naughton decided we weren't close enough to contending in 2 years and wanted to go elsewhere? What if English wanted to go home in 2 years? What if Hunter was enticed to chase another flag at Richmond?

Whilst all clubs need to keep an eye on the future, you can only really deal with what's in front of you for the now.

As much as some of us have had a laugh at Collingwood's expense, and their salary cap situation is a little extreme (clearly overpaying NUMEROUS players, even undeserving ones like Stephenson / Cox / Phillips - then there's Beams), they tried to wind up and have a big crack at a flag. They were a couple of points away from it largely being a success. At least they were bold (and a little stupid, clearly).

With some fine tuning, I have no issues with Collingwood's approach and hope we apply a similar aggressive touch.

[Mofra]

Lot of ifs there though. What if Smith and Naughton decided we weren't close enough to contending in 2 years and wanted to go elsewhere?

What if Smith gets pissed off that he is now shunted to the HFF to accommodate Treloar's midfield time?

To me if we're considering likely scenarios, Treloar is waving multiple red flags for mine based mostly on his contract but a little on his role. We're potentially losing a gun mid now due to lack of midfield minutes, replacing him with a mid who is even less versatile on a $900k x 5 year deal just doesn't seem sensible.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

What if Smith gets pissed off that he is now shunted to the HFF to accommodate Treloar's midfield time?

That's kind of my point though. We can draw a million what ifs without any substance.

What if we win the flag and Treloar kicks 10 and wins the Norm?

To me if we're considering likely scenarios, Treloar is waving multiple red flags for mine based mostly on his contract but a little on his role. We're potentially losing a gun mid now due to lack of midfield minutes, replacing him with a mid who is even less versatile on a $900k x 5 year deal just doesn't seem sensible.

Just because Dunkley cracked the sads about mid minutes, it doesn't mean every other player will. We're also not privy to what our plans are for 2021 and I doubt we are into Treloar on the premise that we play Smith purely as a HFFer.

I've been on seat 1A for Treloar but I agree 5 years @ 900K is stupid, so any deal would (surely) need to be predicated on that figure coming down / Collingwood contributing.

[Mofra]

I've been on seat 1A for Treloar but I agree 5 years @ 900K is stupid, so any deal would (surely) need to be predicated on that figure coming down / Collingwood contributing.

Collingwood are reported to be kicking in $100k, perhaps $150k.

Treloar is a burst mid who missed games due to his hammys this year. He'll be 28 at the start of next year and potentially our second highest paid player, at least in the top handful. A 31, 32 year old burst mid with hamstring issues doesn't scream $900k pa to me.

I just think if we are going to trade in a $900k x 5 player we'd want an A grader in a position of need. I don't see midfield as a position of need. There will be likely be very good FAs available for less than that next year.