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07-11-2020, 11:31 AM
#1201
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
DOG GOD
I always Dunkley was a good team player, but this saga just reeks EGO.
With a strong odour of frustration
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07-11-2020, 11:37 AM
#1202
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Why would we pay Treloar $700k and not give that to Dunkley, if that is his issue?
Agreed. It might be a case of we upped our offer too late. I do believe Dumbkley wants to be the main man and Essendon have told him he will be. He'll be their next captain too probably. He simply won't get that opportunity with us. I guess he's backing himself in to go to another level with the opportunities he'll have there.
It's all about him and that's ok.
But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.
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07-11-2020, 11:40 AM
#1203
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Hey B4L. All valid points. But he could come cheap as it's clear he's not going back (like with Stringer). Treloar doesn't want to go to Brisbane or GCS, so I imagine that's not a major issue. The club would obviously probe his mental health and work out if out organisation is the right fit. Collingwood only offering $100,000... Hilarious!
That's a laughable ambit claim by Collingwood. I'd be looking between 1/3 to 1/2 his wage, and I reckon that's where it lies in these circumstances. We may extend his contract and look to see if we can find a good number after his Collingwood subsidy expires. If that comes down to near Dunkley wage levels then I don't thing the players would be annoyed. I imagine he'd meet the leadership group too.
I assume Matty Boyd is still at Collingwood and can offer us a trustworthy assessment of any and all matters.
My strong preference, beyond salary paid, is a future first rounder and something coming back (draft points this year). If all the points you raise get ticked off. Now if he comes out and nominates us and suggests to Collingwood he will air all his grievances if they don't trade him, I might want even more back. This isn't exactly the Stringer situation, but it's not far off. Collingwood need it to happen. But we would need to tick all the boxes as you say if the Treloar rumours have any substance. And the trade needs to really work for us.
Boydy at Fremantle now BT.
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07-11-2020, 11:49 AM
#1204
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
Bulldog4life
Boydy at Fremantle now BT.
Either way his assessment will now be less bias as he left the pies at the end of 2020.
More of an In Bruges guy?
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07-11-2020, 12:17 PM
#1205
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
With a strong odour of frustration
No doubt. After 2019 he probably wasn’t expecting Libba to come as strong as he did this year. Coupled that with the emergence of Bailey Smith, Dunkley found himself probably being rotated more than previously.
I will never see #16 the same!!
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07-11-2020, 12:28 PM
#1206
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Thanks for that, which means Essendon must use this years 2 x 1st round picks. Therefore to trade, they need to get pick 8 for Saad, they can use that and next years first.
Carlt0n have been discussing swapping their pick 8 for Brisbane’s 18 and 19, then trading 18 or 19 for Saad. Does pick 19 count as a first round pick?
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07-11-2020, 01:00 PM
#1207
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
SquirrelGrip
Carlt0n have been discussing swapping their pick 8 for Brisbane’s 18 and 19, then trading 18 or 19 for Saad. Does pick 19 count as a first round pick?
According to the indicative order, first round goes to 21. see here
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07-11-2020, 01:21 PM
#1208
Re: List Management for 2020/21
SIX-CLUB CHASE FOR VALUABLE DOGS ASSET
The Western Bulldogs’ first-round draft pick is up for grabs and six clubs are in the hunt for it, reports AFL Media.
Pick 14 is available as the club seeks more draft points, via lower selections, in order to match the bid at the top of the draft for next generation academy prospect Jamarra Ugle-Hagan.
Adelaide, Collingwood and North Melbourne have all reached out to the Bulldogs, according to the report, though a decision may not be made before the end of the trade period.
Under AFL rules, the Dogs can trade their pick up until a week before the national draft, and could also trade the pick on draft night itself in an effort to extract maximum value.
Pick 14 is worth 1161 draft points, roughly the same as picks 20 and 52, 25 and 42, and 30 and 35, just to name three possible combinations.
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08-11-2020, 03:10 PM
#1209
Re: List Management for 2020/21
If we assume we can do a deal with Adelaide with pack swaps that ties up JUH for us and then we decide to deal Dunkley to Essendon for picks I wonder if we could parlay that into a deal with GWS for Caldwell?
It would be great to get one back on Essendon and I wouldn't underrate the chance that McCartney wouldn't mind getting one back on them as well
Could we offer pick 8 to GWS for Caldwell and say their pick 33 this year or a second rounder next year?
Caldwell is a very different player to Dunkley but would add to our midfield options
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08-11-2020, 03:13 PM
#1210
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
If we assume we can do a deal with Adelaide with pack swaps that ties up JUH for us and then we decide to deal Dunkley to Essendon for picks I wonder if we could parlay that into a deal with GWS for Caldwell?
It would be great to get one back on Essendon and I wouldn't underrate the chance that McCartney wouldn't mind getting one back on them as well
Could we offer pick 8 to GWS for Caldwell and say their pick 33 this year or a second rounder next year?
Caldwell is a very different player to Dunkley but would add to our midfield options
Caldwell has been offered a 5 year deal at $550k per annum. I doubt we would want to match that? What else would he accept?
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08-11-2020, 03:19 PM
#1211
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Caldwell has been offered a 5 year deal at $550k per annum. I doubt we would want to match that? What else would he accept?
I’d rather that than Treloar at 700-900k.
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08-11-2020, 03:20 PM
#1212
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Caldwell has been offered a 5 year deal at $550k per annum. I doubt we would want to match that? What else would he accept?
Does he really want to take the chance of a cashed up North picking him in the pre-season draft? If GWS say we will only deal with the Dogs he might change his tune
I know it's a long shot but if Essendon are splashing the cash around it's going eventually catch-up with them
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08-11-2020, 03:22 PM
#1213
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
Does he really want to take the chance of a cashed up North picking him in the pre-season draft? If GWS say we will only deal with the Dogs he might change his tune
I know it's a long shot but if Essendon are splashing the cash around it's going eventually catch-up with them
Always worth a shot.
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08-11-2020, 03:23 PM
#1214
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
I’d rather that than Treloar at 700-900k.
We would want to negotiate that right down with Collingwood. Calwell is unproven, Treloar has runs on the board.
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08-11-2020, 03:23 PM
#1215
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
With a strong odour of frustration
Well, I have a feeling this all started with a shot over the bow to get his midfield spot back.
And once it was going downhill it got momentum.
You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus
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