List Management for 2020/21

[soupman]

I'm not sure the hold up in list size announcements is all on the AFL.

Players Association would be having a big say in this and I would not be surprised if they are just as much to blame as the AFL for the hold up.

Yeah I'll pay that. Still cannot believe that sides are already delisting players, signing free agents and basically setting up their lists for next year with still no official indication what they are working with.

[Axe Man]

Richards in 100% a keeper, as is JJ.

Disagree. Nothing against JJ and Ed in particular but if they are untouchable, more than half the list would be untouchable. I think at most clubs the list of players that wouldn't be traded in any realistic circumstance is pretty small. For the majority list managers would keep an open mind for the right deal. It is possible to trade out good players and improve your list.

[azabob]

Yeah I'll pay that. Still cannot believe that sides are already delisting players, signing free agents and basically setting up their lists for next year with still no official indication what they are working with.

it is odd isn't it.

[bornadog]

I'm not sure the hold up in list size announcements is all on the AFL.

Players Association would be having a big say in this and I would not be surprised if they are just as much to blame as the AFL for the hold up.

You are right Aza, the AFL and the AFLPA are in negotiation regarding future player payments along with list sizes. The current CBA doesn't expire till 2022, however, with the pandemic hitting, the CBA needs to be reviewed for total player payments as well as the list sizes.

The deadline is really October 30, and trade period starts on Nov 4. They better get a move on.

[Happy Days]

Hannan going to nominate us. Awesome.

Why is it every year we nominate some rubbish player, I say they're rubbish and we shouldn't get them, I'm ALWAYS right and for my insight and knowledge and bravery the club spits directly into my mouth and I have to (hypothetically) watch them get selected every week despite doing nothing for the entire season but tug at their jumper after selfishly taking an advantage in the finals for a cheap goal?

I don't deserve this treatment. Wonder if he can ruck since he'll probably have to take Dunkley's spot at the rate we're going.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Hannan going to nominate us. Awesome.

Why is it every year we nominate some rubbish player, I say they're rubbish and we shouldn't get them, I'm ALWAYS right and for my insight and knowledge and bravery the club spits directly into my mouth and I have to (hypothetically) watch them get selected every week despite doing nothing for the entire season but tug at their jumper after selfishly taking an advantage in the finals for a cheap goal?

I don't deserve this treatment. Wonder if he can ruck since he'll probably have to take Dunkley's spot at the rate we're going.

It's not really inspiring when the likes of St. Kilda are going after Crouch, Caldwell etc is it?

Is Hannan better than some of the players on our list from 30-40? Probably. Hardly fixes any glaring issues we have though. I'm not against getting him but I hope we are looking at bringing in 3-4 others and clearing the decks with players we don't rate/don't play.

[comrade]

Surely Hannan coming in means the end for Billy 'Ball o' Muscle' Gowers?

[Bulldog4life]

Surely Hannan coming in means the end for Billy 'Ball o' Muscle' Gowers?

Prefer Hannan. Seen him play some good games with Melbourne. Was out of favour this year.

[Mofra]

Surely Hannan coming in means the end for Billy 'Ball o' Muscle' Gowers?

.. and Fergus, perhaps Dale and Schache too.
It's not the worst acquisition but it's not really a game-changer. I suspect had Melbourne not drafted him from Footscray we would have taken him ahead of Gowers anyway.

[bornadog]

Hannan has hardly set the world on fire:

Career Season Totals Year Team GM K H D M G B T HO FF FA GA I50 CL CG R50 BL 2020 Demons 9 41 31 72 21 7 3 15 0 8 6 4 23 3 14 0 2019 Demons 6 32 29 61 18 4 1 8 0 3 4 0 13 3 8 0 2018 Demons 15 112 61 173 50 22 16 33 0 7 10 11 42 6 23 1 2017 Demons 20 138 110 248 49 22 10 60 0 21 13 11 52 23 56 4 Career 50 323 231 554 138 55 30 116 0 39 33 26 130 35 101 5 Career Season Averages Year Team GM K H D M G B T HO FF FA GA I50 CL CG R50 BL 2020 Demons 9 4.6 3.4 8.0 2.3 0.8 0.3 1.7 0 0.9 0.7 0.4 2.6 0.3 1.6 0 2019 Demons 6 5.3 4.8 10.2 3.0 0.7 0.2 1.3 0 0.5 0.7 0 2.2 0.5 1.3 0 2018 Demons 15 7.5 4.1 11.5 3.3 1.5 1.1 2.2 0 0.5 0.7 0.7 2.8 0.4 1.5 0.1 2017 Demons 20 6.9 5.5 12.4 2.5 1.1 0.5 3.0 0 1.1 0.7 0.6 2.6 1.1 2.8 0.2 Career 50 6.5 4.6 11.1 2.8 1.1 0.6 2.3 0 0.8 0.7 0.5 2.6 0.7 2.0 0.1

Last two years hasn't played many matches

[bulldogsthru&thru]

It's not really inspiring when the likes of St. Kilda are going after Crouch, Caldwell etc is it?

Is Hannan better than some of the players on our list from 30-40? Probably. Hardly fixes any glaring issues we have though. I'm not against getting him but I hope we are looking at bringing in 3-4 others and clearing the decks with players we don't rate/don't play.

Yeah I can't deny it's a little frustrating seeing the team that beat us in a final grabbing Crouch and going hard at Caldwell whilst we have been linked to the likes of Hannan and Lonie. I know this is all going of media murmurs but it's still underwhelming.

By the way I hope the reason we 'cooled' on Lonie wasn't because we got all excited by Hannan commiting to us. And for the record I don't want Lonie.

[bornadog]

Yeah I can't deny it's a little frustrating seeing the team that beat us in a final grabbing Crouch and going hard at Caldwell whilst we have been linked to the likes of Hannan and Lonie. I know this is all going of media murmurs but it's still underwhelming.

By the way I hope the reason we 'cooled' on Lonie wasn't because we got all excited by Hannan commiting to us. And for the record I don't want Lonie.

Reports are Caldwell won't be going to Saints

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Seriously what am I missing here? Isn't Hannan just like every other mid-sized marking forward we have on our list?

Are we stockpiling average players of the same position and capability and selling them off to chinese labour camps? Is this where the likes of Lynch, Young and Greene have disappeared to?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Reports are Caldwell won't be going to Saints

I've seen those "reports" from two pro-Essendon media "journos".

[Happy Days]

Why aren't WE getting Caldwell? He could play the mid-sized role far better than Hannan could anyway and could potentially be a better player in 12 months. We seem determined to fashion players out of the scraps left over from other teams rather than actually try to improve our side in any way other than immediately.

What is the absolute best case scenario with Hannan? Lloyd led our goalkicking and 12 months later is clogging the list. Could we realistically expect Hannan to even touch Lloyd's output? What is the point of any of this.