List Management for 2020/21

[bornadog]

41 tackles in a final isn't good enough, we got bullied the year before also against GWS. How many over the back goals occur? That has been structure but also significantly pressure again at the source. I remember hearing on FOX the doggies are in the lower half of the pressure rating.

Saints had 32 tackles

[Axe Man]

Saints had 32 tackles

Whilst we also had slightly more of the ball.

[Vred]

More I think about it the more I like Treloar and Stephenson at the dogs. All hinges on how much salary Collingwood is willing to pay, we must sign Bont and Smith on long term deals.

[bornadog]

Listen to Power on trade radio here.

[Mitcha]

Ferg told he was out earlier today. Disappointing he didn't get a run this season. Some interest from others.

[Happy Days]

Ferg

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Ferg told he was out earlier today. Disappointing he didn't get a run this season. Some interest from others.

Yeah I get the interest too.. I know its been frustating with his injuries, but I'd have kept him before a few others that may get a reprieve

[comrade]

Shame, as he definitely had some talent. Hard to understand why he didn't get a crack this season to show what he was capable of.

[Rocket Science]

Just musing ahead ... are we better?

B: CROZIER - KEATH - JOHANNISEN
HB: WILLIAMS - GARDNER - DANIEL
C: HUNTER - MACRAE - TRELOAR
HF: SMITH - NAUGHTON - VANDERMEER
F: WALLIS - BRUCE - HANNAN
Mids: ENGLISH - BONTEMPELLI - LIBERATORE
Int from: MARTIN - WOOD - RICHARDS - DURYEA - CORDY - JONG - LIPINSKI - WEST

We're still drowning in mids and back flankers at the expense of other areas though depending on how we play it the Dunkley sitch presents an opportunity to rebalance things if we choose.

To that end, think we're better served with Tippa over Treloar ...

B: CROZIER - KEATH - JOHANNISEN
HB: WILLIAMS - GARDNER - DANIEL
C: HUNTER - MACRAE - SMITH
HF: VANDERMEER - NAUGHTON - MCDONALD-TIPUNGWUTI
F: WALLIS - BRUCE - HANNAN
Mids: ENGLISH - BONTEMPELLI - LIBERATORE
Int from: MARTIN - WOOD - RICHARDS - DURYEA - CORDY - JONG - LIPINSKI - WEST

Hannan irks me but we're hardly going to grab him then not play him.

[SquirrelGrip]

Sounded like he was giving Essendon a carrot to start working their asses off on Dunks.

I wonder if the Dodos could also pay part of Treloar’s salary for us in addition to Collingwood’s share?

[1eyedog]

Imagine a forward line of Naughty, JUH and Stevo dam it would be exciting to watch.

My big concern about bringing in Treloar and Stevo for example if we loose Dunks is that they are both poor defensively. After watching the finals this year pressure is still the one wood there is no doubt about it, our side was incredibly poor in this area across the year.

How do we get the balance right? Would woofers have the guts to bring in a guy like Stevo?(I dont think it would have to hinge on the dunks trade at all)

JS is a liability on the field, gets to the best spots to be Joe the Goose. I also played cricket against him and will be a big risk off-field as well. I'm not sure I want JS and Hunter in the same space.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

I've made my thoughts pretty clear on Treloar elsewhere (I do not want him) but additionally can we not bail Collingwood out of the situation they've put themselves in? They've overcommitted to a bunch of blokes, including the idiotic decision to grab Beams, now they are in a situation where they are forcing out a guy they headhunted a few years ago and got to backend his contract to help them out and now that it's their turn to repay the favour they have decided they'd rather not.

Why should we help them out by taking on Treloars stupidly big contract (or Stephensons, or Coxs, or Phillips, all players they seem happy to lose for a reason) and then putting ourselves under cap pressure?

If we were gonna help them it should have been by taking one of the guys they wanna keep, like Moore or Daicos, except they have already re signed them. I'd propose grabbing one of their really promising young guys but the only one i like is Quaynor.

Instead of grabbing someone who we might be able to make work but doesn't really improve us how about we just leave them in the mess they have created?

Ultimately it boils down to how you rate our mids. For mine, ours are overrated as a collective group evidenced by recent big games where they've been soundly beaten. Whilst this is tied to our ruck situation, the mids have to take some responsibility too - some of the performances in the last 12-18 months have been diabolical from such a talented group.

It's been clear for a while our mids are 'too similar' - not enough line breaking and players who are prepared to take space / take the positive option. Macrae, Hunter and Dunkley don't hurt sides by foot - despite all being great players in their own right. The fact that we rely so heavily on Smith is a problem, particularly given he's so young. We need a better balance.

Bont, Macrae and Hunter are elite. Libba is elite but getting on / one injury away from his career being done. I don't rate Lippa, Hayes, Jong etc. and West is a pup.

We have holes in multiple areas but the mid is one of them.

Treloar improves our dynamic significantly

[bornadog]

Dogs dealing with list uncertainty

Uncertainty around AFL list sizes for next season will mean the Western Bulldogs have a bit to work through over the coming weeks as they look to finalise their list for 2021.

Fifteen players remain out of contract, ( I wish Axeman would let us know) including three who played in the elimination final loss to St Kilda – Taylor Duryea, Ryan Gardner and Roarke Smith.

Former skipper Easton Wood is the only player to have signed a new deal since the end of the season, inking a two-year contract extension.

Bulldogs’ list boss Sam Power said it was a difficult period for those players left waiting.

“It adds a level of complexity to it,” Power said of the list size uncertainty.

“Mainly from an uncontracted player point of view, that the guys unfortunately have to sit out (of contract) for a little bit longer which is really difficult for them.

“Also (in terms of) pick swaps or bringing players in, not having that 100 per cent clarity does make it a bit difficult and very different to what’s been the case in previous years.”

The Bulldogs will look to bolster their list in this year’s trade period, according to Power.

Melbourne forward Mitch Hannan has indicated his desire to join the club, as the Bulldogs weigh up options to add to their existing group.

Adding another layer to that will be accumulating the right draft picks – and points – to ensure a bid can be matched for Next Generation Academy talent Jamarra Ugle-Hagan.

“We’re always looking to improve our list and bring in players that we feel add to what we already have,” Power said.

“Also this year we’ve got some points considerations with an Academy prospect, so that potentially impacts picks that we have and what we might be looking to do from a pick swap point of view.”

[Vred]

Ferg told he was out earlier today. Disappointing he didn't get a run this season. Some interest from others.

This pisses me off, Ferg was showing real good talent this year in the scratch matches

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Ultimately it boils down to how you rate our mids. For mine, ours are overrated as a collective group evidenced by recent big games where they've been soundly beaten. Whilst this is tied to our ruck situation, the mids have to take some responsibility too - some of the performances in the last 12-18 months have been diabolical from such a talented group.

It's been clear for a while our mids are 'too similar' - not enough line breaking and players who are prepared to take space / take the positive option. Macrae, Hunter and Dunkley don't hurt sides by foot - despite all being great players in their own right. The fact that we rely so heavily on Smith is a problem, particularly given he's so young. We need a better balance.

Bont, Macrae and Hunter are elite. Libba is elite but getting on / one injury away from his career being done. I don't rate Lippa, Hayes, Jong etc. and West is a pup.

We have holes in multiple areas but the mid is one of them.

Treloar improves our dynamic significantly

Ok Treloar has burst speed. But he isn't a great kick and he also goes completely missing in games when the chips are down. So aside from some burst speed he doesn't really provide us with much of a difference. I'm all for adding him on the cheap (both trade and salary wise) because the Pies are desperate to get rid of him but if we're simply talking Dunkley for Treloar and bunch of picks then I won't be happy.