List Management for 2020/21

[soupman]

It's been clear for a while our mids are 'too similar' - not enough line breaking and players who are prepared to take space / take the positive option. Macrae, Hunter and Dunkley don't hurt sides by foot - despite all being great players in their own right. The fact that we rely so heavily on Smith is a problem, particularly given he's so young. We need a better balance.

You have seen Treloar play yeah?

I don't disagree with what you are saying, I do think our midfield group is a bit wonky and not as good as the sum of all parts, but I am still adamant Treloar does not improve us, especially when you consider what he costs.

[Doc26]

I wonder if the Dodos could also pay part of Treloar’s salary for us in addition to Collingwood’s share?

I don't envy Sam's challenge in trying to maximise our position with Dunkley's posible exodus.

In the Treloar case as an example, he would need to satisfy Collingwood with a suitable trade, whilst also negotiating salary coverage between the Pies / Us and possibly the Bombers. Then against this, other Clubs, like Hawthorn, will no doubt be pitching an offer to Collingwood for Treloar. And then all this without Essendon knowing at this time what they can offer us whilst they're still negotiating on Saad and Caldwell, and without us showing our hand to Essendon as to what might be the min. agreeable to us for Dunkley to move.

I hope that any of the pre work that will need to be invested by us to satisfy, say, Treloar and Collingwood, for a move prior to deadline doesn't ultimately distract and diminish our hard-line approach to dealing with Dodoro, that might ultimately see him get Dunkley for unders given a possible agreement for Adam to come over.

There's a lot of pieces in all of this for it to fall for our maximum gain.

[soupman]

There's a lot of pieces in all of this for it to fall for our maximum gain.

And all this without a confirmed salary cap or squad size in 2021 for any of the clubs involved.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

You have seen Treloar play yeah?

I don't disagree with what you are saying, I do think our midfield group is a bit wonky and not as good as the sum of all parts, but I am still adamant Treloar does not improve us, especially when you consider what he costs.

I'm not saying Treloar is a beautiful user by foot, but he's also not as bad as you're making him out to be. He's a very positive player - he takes ground and surges forward, often under pressure, so his kicks aren't always going to be perfect. Hell, I'd argue Bont's skills aren't where they need to be in recent times either, but both of them are far more constructive with their usage than Hunter/Dunkley and to a lesser degree Macrae who all chip it sideways/backwards and lack penetration. These are critical factors when you're trying to break down the best defensive teams and it's why we only really look dangerous when Bont / Smith / JJ have the ball moving forward.

The cost of Treloar is another matter entirely and the biggest hurdle, but I think it's silly to suggest he doesn't improve us.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Lynch, Gowers and Greene delisted.

Story here.

[bornadog]

Lynch, Gowers and Greene delisted.

Not unexpected

So with Dickson, plus La Young gone that is 5 and JD could be 6

[hujsh]

Lynch, Gowers and Greene delisted.

Story here.

Fair, good and a shame in that order.

[ledge]

Not unexpected

So with Dickson gone that is 4 and JD could be 5

And Young has gone as well

[bornadog]

Uncontracted Remaining on list: (assuming La Young gone, and Jong getting one year)

Jackson Trengove: 2020
Taylor Duryea: 2020
Ben Cavarra: 2020
Will Hayes: 2020
Callum Porter: 2020
Matt Suckling: 2020 (FA)
Jordan Sweet: 2020 (Rookie)
Roarke Smith: 2020 (Rookie)
Ryan Gardner: 2020 (Rookie)
Buku Khamis: 2020 (Rookie)

Surely Porter is gone?

[bornadog]

And Young has gone as well

Yes, thanks I just realised

[comrade]

Uncontracted Remaining on list: (assuming La Young gone, and Jong getting one year)

Jackson Trengove: 2020
Taylor Duryea: 2020
Ben Cavarra: 2020
Will Hayes: 2020
Callum Porter: 2020
Matt Suckling: 2020 (FA)
Jordan Sweet: 2020 (Rookie)
Roarke Smith: 2020 (Rookie)
Ryan Gardner: 2020 (Rookie)
Buku Khamis: 2020 (Rookie)

Surely Porter is gone?

I'd only keep Cavarra, Duryea, Gardner and Sweet.

[The Underdog]

I'd only keep Cavarra, Duryea, Gardner and Sweet.

Yeah, but you know Roarke is getting another year, right? It’s gonna happen.

[josie]

Sad Greene did not have more opportunities to play seniors. Hope another club gives him a go. Injuries did not help his cause, nor did no vfl this year.

[bulldogtragic]

I'm thinking going up the order should be the play, if we can get something decent from Essendon.

Step 1. Pick 6 and our Future Third - for - A Future First from Essendon for Dunkley. Say no players from them for argument sake.
* Note: Rates Dunkley fairly high. Around Shiel, much less than Treloar as examples when they were traded, although out of contract.
Step 2. Pick 6 and 14 and Essendon Future First for Pick 2 & 28 from North (Young included as steak knives)
* Note: Last year GWS traded 6 & Future First for Pick 4. So using that as a template we upgrade their 28 into 14 and Young. North net three first rounders (two likely top 10 picks) and a player of ours that they want. Nice way to rebuild.
Step 3. Pick 54 for Hannan.
Step 4. Use pick 2 on a gun midfielder. Hollands quite possibly. (I don't believe Adelaide will bid on JUH. I think Logan McDonald would suit them.
Step 5. Match JUH and if desired Macpherson/Raak at the draft.
Step 6. Take Picks 28, 41 = 1,089 Draft Points
Step 7. Trade 28 to Collingwood for Picks 39 & 42 (801 Points). Trade Pick 41 to Adelaide for Picks 50, 56 & 60 (547 Points) Net 256 more draft points through these trades.
Step 8. Take 1,347 Draft Points into the draft (with at least 5 spots open to use them all).
Step 9. If JUH is bid on at Pick 4 as Twomey suggests. We need 1,600 points on him slipping from Pick 3 to Pick 4. If MacPherson &/or Raak come after Pick 55 they're free. If it's bids before then a small amount. Say our deficit is about 250 points. If we could live trade in a Third Rounder at the bid for our future Second Rounder (or exchange of rounds) we could virtually eliminate a deficit. Only going into deficit if we bid on MacPherson and/or Raak if we match a bid before Pick 55. Which it sounds like is a low risk and only a low amount of deficit unless we did a small juggle.

= Dunkley & Young and our current picks >>> Two of the best Three Players In the Draft, MacPherson & Raak if desired, plus Hannan and Stef Martin (if that gets done). We trade Dunkley & 14 for most likely the best midfielder in the draft at Pick 2.

2021 Draft Hand: Natural First Rounder (unless a slight deficit), Natural Fourth Rounder, Traded in Third/Fourth Rounder (subject to any player trades in 2021). (Give or take on the late picks) (Edit: Unless you add Treloar for the 2021 First Rounder & fine detail exchanges picks/salary. Maybe trade out someone for a 2021 Second Rounder. That's a hell of a trade/draft period).


GWS have used this strategy of getting ahead of the expected high bid twice successfully (Taranto at Pick 2 before matching Setterfield at Pick 5 & Ash at Pick 4 before matching Greene at Pick 10 - some suggested Greene should've been a top 3 bid, but slid). The more I think about it, if we could grab the best midfielder and best KPF in the draft, I'd rather look at a ballsy move like this. Of course the competition would cry bloody murder... But Sam Power's job isn't worrying about the feelings of other clubs and their fans. I can see a case for all those trades being mutually beneficial if those are the cards that get dealt. Recent trading history for all the trades has them being plausible chances. The key is that I don't see Adelaide who need a great news story and hope to sell their members, bidding on JUH which tells their fans after a shithouse year, you still didn't get the best player. I also don't see the AFEL liking a Pick 1 bid as a branding exercise. Recent history says that even the best Priority Access players end up sliding just a bit to a fair bit. I think there's a roadmap to a really good outcome.

[josie]

Said it before BT-you should be advisor to club.

Your posts are always food for thought. So good to have you back posting.