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08-09-2020, 10:13 AM
#106
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
The Doctor
The ruck situation is to put it mildly, is diabolical, farcical, embarrassing & laughable.
Tim English will be a terrific ruckman in time. But right now he is still learning the craft at senior level and has ZERO support. The only other specialist ruckman we have is Jordan Sweet, who according to Bevo is not ready.
Can anybody realistically say that this is a premiership winning capable ruck set up?
I've been saying it for ages that we need more ruck depth & QUALITY on our list. So something sensible has to be done to support English NOW.
There are good ruckmen available if we have the balls to go after one. It has to be a priority.
You're spot on. Why do you think we chose to enter the season so paper thin for ruck man in terms of depth and experience?
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08-09-2020, 10:15 AM
#107
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Not sure I understand your comment?
Steven King is 41 and long retired, and isn't a dedicated ruck coach anymore.
It's nothing like competing and learning against a fellow full time active mature ruckman and if we're expecting it to be, then it's no wonder Timmy is struggling.
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08-09-2020, 10:15 AM
#108
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Not sure I understand your comment?
I think the premise is that English might be coached by King but he's not competing against another quality ruckman in most training sessions
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08-09-2020, 10:18 AM
#109
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
I like the suggestion. Could Wright and the resting ruck man in English play in a forward line with so many other options like Naughton, Bruce, Schache and somewhere down that track Ugle-Hagan?
Yeah there’s too many talls there for my liking.
What on earth has happened to 2 metre Pete? High draft pick who was highly rated and has just fallen away. I suppose ultimately he’d be competing with Bruce.
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08-09-2020, 10:22 AM
#110
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Dew has favoured Day for what I can only presume are structural reasons, but I think Wright is too good a player to not be in the AFL, which is the trajectory he's headed in. From memory and AFL Tables it doesn't look like he's ever been more than a supporting ruckman in his career, which could mean that he's no good at it, or could mean that Jarrod Witts is better and has the tank to ruck entire seasons by himself.
To be clear I like the Goldstein and Kreuzer suggestions more, but Wright is worth considering.
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08-09-2020, 10:29 AM
#111
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
comrade
Steven King is 41 and long retired, and isn't a dedicated ruck coach anymore.
It's nothing like competing and learning against a fellow full time active mature ruckman and if we're expecting it to be, then it's no wonder Timmy is struggling.
Age has nothing to do with it, and as I said King is working with Tim. There is also Trengove. I know what you are saying but at least there is something in place.
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08-09-2020, 11:41 AM
#112
Re: List Management for 2020/21
I would be surprised if we went after a ruckman of note, but if we did would Ben McEvoy be worth considering? A cleanout looms at the Hawks and at least he can also play as a key defender fitting in with Bevo's versatility mantra.
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08-09-2020, 12:06 PM
#113
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
I think the premise is that English might be coached by King but he's not competing against another quality ruckman in most training sessions
I'm so sick of Josh Dunkley's ruck craft being maligned around here. Have some respect please.
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08-09-2020, 12:16 PM
#114
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
comrade
Steven King is 41 and long retired, and isn't a dedicated ruck coach anymore.
It's nothing like competing and learning against a fellow full time active mature ruckman and if we're expecting it to be, then it's no wonder Timmy is struggling.
Is Tim struggling? He has been moved around a fair bit in recent weeks but other than not winning the hitout I'm not seeing the struggle.
He is progressing very nicely IMO and I look forward to more consistency coming, which we are already seeing glimpses of.
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08-09-2020, 12:19 PM
#115
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
Topdog
Is Tim struggling? He has been moved around a fair bit in recent weeks but other than not winning the hitout I'm not seeing the struggle.
He is progressing very nicely IMO and I look forward to more consistency coming, which we are already seeing glimpses of.
He's progressing nicely at everything but his actual ruck craft.
Jumps too early in the centre bounces, gets outpositioned easily in boundary throw ins and lacks contested ability/know how when the ball hits the ground at a stoppage. A hardened, experienced (active) ruckman to train against each day would do wonders for that side of his game, IMO.
Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.
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08-09-2020, 12:29 PM
#116
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
Rocket Science
I'm so sick of Josh Dunkley's ruck craft being maligned around here. Have some respect please.
Point taken, he's young and will get better
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08-09-2020, 12:53 PM
#117
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
I'd normally be right into bringing a player like O'Halloran to the kennel but if he can't crack it for games at GWS given some of their injuries and with list spots very likely to be tight and that we already have some other priorities how do we squeeze him in?
With players like Hately and Caldwell they have some point of difference where O'Halloran is more of your good all round player perhaps without the hurt factor
I'm all for adding him into our list but I just wonder how we can do it
Surely we have plenty of chaff to cut? I doubt any of R.Smith, Trengove, Gowers, Hayes, Lynch and probably Porter are here next year.
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08-09-2020, 01:06 PM
#118
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
hujsh
Surely we have plenty of chaff to cut? I doubt any of R.Smith, Trengove, Gowers, Hayes, Lynch and probably Porter are here next year.
The MC seem to like R Smith as a role-player, we can't carry Roarke and Hayes in the team though.
If we manage to trade for XavOH then he may not survive the cull.
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08-09-2020, 01:08 PM
#119
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
Axe Man
I would be surprised if we went after a ruckman of note, but if we did would Ben McEvoy be worth considering? A cleanout looms at the Hawks and at least he can also play as a key defender fitting in with Bevo's versatility mantra.
I'd prefer Jon Ceglar and mentioned him a while back.
Ceglar is a couple of years younger than McEvoy and can play forward.
More of an In Bruges guy?
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08-09-2020, 01:19 PM
#120
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
azabob
I'd prefer Jon Ceglar and mentioned him a while back.
Ceglar is a couple of years younger than McEvoy and can play forward.
Yeah but why would Hawthorn trade Ceglar unless offered overs? I don't rate him as a forward either.
McEvoy I just see as more obtainable due to age and Hawthorns list position. However I doubt we make a move like this anyway.