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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by comrade View Post
    I'd say we've gone back a step, in that we didn't really threaten any of the top 6 clubs this year at all.
    So we are worse than the team that played GWS in last years final?
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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    So we are worse than the team that played GWS in last years final?
    I find it hard to grade it. I think we're about the same although I really thought towards the end of last season we looked pretty potent up forward.

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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    So we are worse than the team that played GWS in last years final?
    Whether we're worse or we've just stagnated/not improved is neither here nor there and it's arbritrary. You can argue I'm wrong, but you can't prove it.

    The reality is we haven't progressed, and that's the problem.
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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by comrade View Post
    Whether we're worse or we've just stagnated/not improved is neither here nor there and it's arbritrary. You can argue I'm wrong, but you can't prove it.

    The reality is we haven't progressed, and that's the problem.
    But why say it?
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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    But why say it?
    Honestly, who cares?
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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    Whether we’re worse or not is subjective but nobody could argue we’re better.

    Put it this way, if we were playing a team of GWS’ 2019 EF capability, like say Saturday nights Richmond, we would have been smashed. The saints, whilst not a bad side, were not much chop. Our game was not up to finals standard. This years EF cannot be compared to last years. I hate that the close result has clouded some judgment on our performance.

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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    So we are worse than the team that played GWS in last years final?
    I’d argue that our form at the back end of last year (prior the the finals) was way ahead of anything we hit this year. So on that metric of our best footy then yeah, I’d suggest we possibly are.

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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by comrade View Post
    Geez, truth hurts but we are the Western Orchids right now.
    Ah jeez, see what you made me do.



    Anyway, CARNA ORCHIDS.
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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    So we are worse than the team that played GWS in last years final?
    I don't think we are better, perhaps it's a line ball comparison or just leaning towards a bit worse
    Remember we brought in two players to address our needs from the previous season and we haven't necessarily progressed
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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by comrade View Post
    I'm talking the entire game plan needs scrapping and significant turn over of personnel from our EF team is required. Adding a genuine, mature ruck to partner with English is only the start.

    The entire balance is out of whack. Our talls aren't tall or good enough. Our smalls aren't quick or skilful enough. Our forward line is full of slow, non forwards who can't tackle or create opportunity. Our backline is fragile, our defensive set up is completely exposed against good sides and relies on midfield dominance. We are stacked with mid sized half back flankers, yet none of them are weapons in the air or generate attack from half back intercepts.

    Our trade strategy is flawed, with no slam dunk game changing inclusions in 4 years (Keath is closest). Our development of younger players is questionable (2020 has made this difficult so they get some leeway there). Which kid besides Vandermeer really jumped out of the box this year?

    Our match selection seems nonsensical at times.

    There are problems everywhere and we are destined for more mid table finishes if significant changes aren't made. If you can't see that after 4 years of the same results, we're watching a team through a completely different lens.
    Brilliant post Comrade. I agree 1000%
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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    If people are prepared to go back down the ladder to go forwards then scrapping the entire game plan is feasible. If they're not then it's not a great idea.

    I agree that we need ruck support that can get into it right away, we also need another ready made key defender and specialist forward as minimum requirements. Finding all three of these ready made players who actually improve us is going to be a tough ask and it's not like we haven't been trying, rather, we've just not been an attractive destination or not willing to pay the required price to get it done.

    If we do want to spend the big dollars other players are going to be squeezed out over time if not immediately, and that's I suppose the gamble we've got to be willing to take.

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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    If people are prepared to go back down the ladder to go forwards then scrapping the entire game plan is feasible. If they're not then it's not a great idea.

    I agree that we need ruck support that can get into it right away, we also need another ready made key defender and specialist forward as minimum requirements. Finding all three of these ready made players who actually improve us is going to be a tough ask and it's not like we haven't been trying, rather, we've just not been an attractive destination or not willing to pay the required price to get it done.

    If we do want to spend the big dollars other players are going to be squeezed out over time if not immediately, and that's I suppose the gamble we've got to be willing to take.
    Gee you are boring, pragmatic and realistic at a reasonable hour of the day.

    I much prefer the 2am version of Jeemak where anything is possible.

    On the bolded bit do we need to revisit your popular thread TRADE DUNKLEY (funnily enough created after midnight). Perhaps not Dunkely but another high profile player?
    #BeMoreBulldog

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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    If people are prepared to go back down the ladder to go forwards then scrapping the entire game plan is feasible. If they're not then it's not a great idea.

    I agree that we need ruck support that can get into it right away, we also need another ready made key defender and specialist forward as minimum requirements. Finding all three of these ready made players who actually improve us is going to be a tough ask and it's not like we haven't been trying, rather, we've just not been an attractive destination or not willing to pay the required price to get it done.

    If we do want to spend the big dollars other players are going to be squeezed out over time if not immediately, and that's I suppose the gamble we've got to be willing to take.
    That was also my suggestion, but some want to burn down the club and start again.
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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    Lol let’s find a gun ruck, key defender and small forward and everything will be solved. Someone email the club.
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    Re: Gerard whateley delivers honest assessment of the bulldogs

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    That was also my suggestion, but some want to burn down the club and start again.
    There’s never a middle ground in this world is there? The pendulum effect seems to be unbreakable.

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