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    Cool Round 1 2021 Team

    What will be our best starting lineup for Round 1 2021?
    We have to start somewhere....

    B: Williams Hamling Gardner
    HB: JJ Keath Crozier
    C: Hunter Smith Macrae
    HF: Daniel Naughton Dunkley
    F: Jamarra English McLean
    Foll: Goldstein Bontempelli Liberatore
    Int: Richards West Wood Schache
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    Re: Round 1 2021 Team

    I'm just going to blatantly steal from my monster post in another thread, with a few editorial changes. This is how I see us lining up.

    Defence:
    Three talls is fine, as long as they are versatile. But I want to upgrade both Gardner and Cordy. They are both serviceable, but I am not convinced they allow Keath to shine and neither are anything more than ok negating defenders. Ideally we get someone who can anchor our defence, take the heat of the main forward and be a real aerial presence. Our negating small is one of Wood or Duryea, they can't both play unless one of those talls drop out. Daniel and Williams are your rebounding guys. Crozier the interceptor. Thats 7. So I just want to upgrade the talls. I did think our defence was pretty good the second half of the season and worked pretty well in theory, but think some of the personnel are suspect and we went overboard with the amount of defenders we picked. I would be very ok with dropping a tall for a general defender type, but the current setup worked pretty well in the second half of the year.

    Ruck. English by himself is not it. I much prefer the idea of him playing a Westhoff type role, where he is a supporting player wherever he needs to be, using his mix of attributes and aerial ability to help shore up our defence, provide an attacking option of help link up through the middle. I want a main ruck who is constructive with his hitouts, decent around the ground (doesn't have to be amazing) and at least breaks even in the air.

    Mids stay largely the same, Bont, Macrae, Libba, Dunkley and Smith is a good main group. Hunter is good on the wing. Wouldn't mind some more pace through there but I'm gonna put that in the forward grouping.

    Our forwardline is terrible. Too many types that don't create and aren't natural forwards. Josh Bruce bafflingly was afforded an entire season in which he provided zero output. I'd be aiming for a forward setup that has Naughton as its centre piece, a mobile second tall (JUH I guess), a good finishing reliable smart forward (Wallis) and then a typical pacy small forward who is a good crumber and has good goal sense in congestion. The remaining forwards need to be able to push up the ground and help link up and bring the ball in while also being goal threats. At least one probably also plays on a wing (I probably give this role to JJ, and would be very open to swapping he and Daniel around as we see fit throughout the season), and another should be able to push up the ground as another mid type (Lipinski currently but his spot is very up for grabs). Vandermeer is one, two spots remain. Ideally this forwardline now changes our lineup to have pace and pressure in the forward half of the ground and really excel with quick ball movement.

    So we are looking at something like:
    Defence:
    FB: Duryea/Wood (Lockdown), Anchor tall/Gardner, Third tall/general defender/Cordy/Wood/Crozier
    HB: Daniel/JJ (Main rebounder), Keath, Williams (General defender/rebound)
    +One on bench

    Mids
    Centre: Hunter (Main wingman), Bont, .../JJ (High forward)
    Ruck: ??? (Main Ruck), Liberatore, Macrae
    +Smith and Dunkley on the bench

    Forwards
    HF: Vandermeer (High forward with attacking intent), JUH? (Mobile tall), ??? (forward mid type with goal sense)
    FF: Wallis (Pure forward who finishes), Naughton (Main threat and target), ??? (Crumbing type)
    +English (playing wherever we feel he is needed)

    -------------------------------------

    Written out that is something like (Bolded need upgrading if possible, underlined means they are just keeping the spot warm and i really want us to recruit someone else there)
    FB: Duryea, Gardner, Wood
    HB: Daniel, Keath, Williams
    C: Hunter, Bontempelli, R. Smith
    HF: Vandermeer, JUH, JJ
    FF: Wallis, Naughton, Weightman
    R: Sweet, Macrae, Dunkley

    I: Crozier (Defence), B. Smith, Liberatore, English
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    Re: Round 1 2021 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by SquirrelGrip View Post
    What will be our best starting lineup for Round 1 2021?
    We have to start somewhere....

    B: Williams Hamling Gardner
    HB: JJ Keath Crozier
    C: Hunter B Smith Macrae
    HF: Daniel Naughton Dunkley
    F: Jamarra English West
    Foll: Goldstein Bontempelli Liberatore
    Int: Vander Weightman Wood Schache
    Just remembered Toby won't be around in Round 1 and I forgot the Flying Dutchman!
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    Re: Round 1 2021 Team

    Soupaman Big Risk with Sweet as he hasn't even played one game yet.
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    Re: Round 1 2021 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Soupaman Big Risk with Sweet as he hasn't even played one game yet.
    Yeah hence the underline designating a placeholder. I want to play two rucks with English as the second. I'm not even convinced Sweet is on the list next year, and definitely don't want him to be our starting ruck. I also don't want to play Weightman round one based on what I've seen, nor Roarke Smith, but I've picked the side based on the types i want to see play, regardless of whether we have that personnel yet.
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    Re: Round 1 2021 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by soupaman View Post
    Yeah hence the underline designating a placeholder. I want to play two rucks with English as the second. I'm not even convinced Sweet is on the list next year, and definitely don't want him to be our starting ruck. I also don't want to play Weightman round one based on what I've seen, nor Roarke Smith.
    Argh, fair enough, I am with you.

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    Re: Round 1 2021 Team

    Western Bulldogs
    B: Williams, Keath, Gardner
    HB: Daniel, Naughton, Crozier
    C: Hunter, Dunkley, Smith
    HF: JJ, Schache, Vandermeer
    F: West, Bruce, Wallis
    Foll: English, Bontempelli, Liberatore
    Int: 2nd Ruck, Wood, Macrae, Weightman

    Footscray
    B: Duryea, Le Young, ?Khamis?
    HB: La Young, Cordy, Butler
    C Hayes, Lipinski, ..........
    HF Dale, ........., Greene
    F Cavarra, Jamarra, Garcia
    R Sweet, Jong, ..........
    Int ...........

    Injured: Mclean
    Assumed gone: Lloyd, Gowers, Porter, Roarke, Trengove, Suckling, Dickson

    I have gone for a mix of what I hope and what I expect....

    I have no doubt that Gardner will blitz the track in pre-season and get a go in round one.

    I am strongly in the Naughton to defence camp. I think our side looks better with Schache up forward and Naughton defending, but I understand the desire to keep him forward. I think he will be elite wherever he plays.

    I want to see Dunkley back in the midfield, a position where he was chosen as one of the best 40 players in the league last year. Let's stop messing around with him, and let him play his best football.

    I am big on Rhylee West, and I want to see him play all 22 games next year (barring injury).

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    Re: Round 1 2021 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by jazzadogs View Post
    Western Bulldogs
    B: Williams, Keath, Gardner
    HB: Daniel, Naughton, Crozier
    C: Hunter, Dunkley, Smith
    HF: JJ, Schache, Vandermeer
    F: West, Bruce, Wallis
    Foll: English, Bontempelli, Liberatore
    Int: 2nd Ruck, Wood, Macrae, Weightman

    Footscray
    B: Duryea, Le Young, ?Khamis?
    HB: La Young, Cordy, Butler
    C Hayes, Lipinski, ..........
    HF Dale, ........., Greene
    F Cavarra, Jamarra, Garcia
    R Sweet, Jong, ..........
    Int ...........

    Injured: Mclean
    Assumed gone: Lloyd, Gowers, Porter, Roarke, Trengove, Suckling, Dickson

    I have gone for a mix of what I hope and what I expect....

    I have no doubt that Gardner will blitz the track in pre-season and get a go in round one.

    I am strongly in the Naughton to defence camp. I think our side looks better with Schache up forward and Naughton defending, but I understand the desire to keep him forward. I think he will be elite wherever he plays.

    I want to see Dunkley back in the midfield, a position where he was chosen as one of the best 40 players in the league last year. Let's stop messing around with him, and let him play his best football.

    I am big on Rhylee West, and I want to see him play all 22 games next year (barring injury).
    And Richards at Footscray too JD?
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    Re: Round 1 2021 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by jazzadogs View Post
    I am strongly in the Naughton to defence camp. I think our side looks better with Schache up forward and Naughton defending, but I understand the desire to keep him forward. I think he will be elite wherever he plays.
    I like Naughton in defence, but he has to stay forward for mine for a few reasons:

    Firstly, our defence has been competent without him. I think there is enough there (especially if we recruit a decent tall defender) that it is good enough to stand up in most scenarios. Yes Naughton makes it a really good unit but I think it's a solid enough group without him.

    However, our forwardline is bordering on diabolical. Wallis, Naughton and to a lesser extent Vandermeer are the only forwards I think are actually good, and there is no way known i am ok with taking away the only one of them who is tall and a marking threat, can draw defenders and applies as much pressure as anybody there. Naughton is the equal of the King bros imo, and proposing to send either of them back is madness. Our defence is underwhelming, but it is ok. Our forwardline needs Naughton, and if we can bring in two guys who have pace, apply lots of pressure and can crumb i think in combo with Naughton, Vandermeer and Wallis we could have a really pacy constantly dangerous forwardline.

    Schache is nowhere near able to provide any of that output, and the only spot i see him taking it either the roaming second ruck role i see English playing or the pure finisher role Wallis plays (and he only plays if either of them are unavailable).
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    Re: Round 1 2021 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by jazzadogs View Post
    I want to see Dunkley back in the midfield, a position where he was chosen as one of the best 40 players in the league last year. Let's stop messing around with him, and let him play his best football.

    I am big on Rhylee West, and I want to see him play all 22 games next year (barring injury).
    Agree on both points.

    I do think Dunkley will continue to play more forward than the other mids, a victim of his versaility, but we need to stop using him to plug holes so much, which is hopefully a bit easier if we recruit well.

    West i also like and probably should be in my side ahead of Roarke Smith with a bit of juggling of roles.
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    Re: Round 1 2021 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by SquirrelGrip View Post
    And Richards at Footscray too JD?
    I missed him, but yes I would be happy for him to be at Footscray - realistically he will probably play 1s ahead of Weightman, who will benefit from a full season of VFL/whatever the comp will be called.

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    Re: Round 1 2021 Team

    Quote Originally Posted by soupaman View Post
    Written out that is something like (Bolded need upgrading if possible, underlined means they are just keeping the spot warm and i really want us to recruit someone else there)
    FB: Duryea, Gardner, Wood
    HB: Daniel, Keath, Williams
    C: Hunter, Bontempelli, R. Smith
    HF: Vandermeer, JUH, JJ
    FF: Wallis, Naughton, Weightman
    R: Sweet, Macrae, Dunkley

    I: Crozier (Defence), B. Smith, Liberatore, English
    R.Smith on a wing and B.Smith on the bench can't be right can it Soup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    R.Smith on a wing and B.Smith on the bench can't be right can it Soup?
    I'd imagine that's an acknowledgement that we need a proper winger, and that Bazlenka is part of the centre-bounce mid rotation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    R.Smith on a wing and B.Smith on the bench can't be right can it Soup?
    Bailey Smith probably started most games this year on the bench and was the first midfield rotation, so maybe Soup just has an eye for detail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzadogs View Post
    I'd imagine that's an acknowledgement that we need a proper winger, and that Bazlenka is part of the centre-bounce mid rotation.
    Yeah this is it. It's meant to represent that role being filled by a running link player more than just chucking a starting mid there AA team style. Bench means nothing in team lineups now, if it looked good putting a 7th player in each section I'd just do that.
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