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    Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    So - We have recruited the very good player Adam Treloar.

    Since his debut year in 2012, he has pretty consistently increased his possession rate every year...except this year when shortened quarters didn't really help. He is an ELITE first handball receiver and often gets on the end of the hands of 'in and under' players.

    BUT. He handballs a LOT.

    He is regularly criticised for making less than optional kick-handball decisions...and in particular less than optional kick decisions.

    He has played NINE seasons of AFL footy...after 9 years, most players are who they are.

    I don't think he is an outside mid because nothing he has done to this point suggests he is. Outside mids are all about positioning, being 2nd possession receivers and run+carry+kick players. Adam is an elite FIRST possession receiver and tends to find his footy inside the contest rather than 'outside'. His marks per game have dropped pretty much every season since he came into the league (his marks were highest when his possessions were lowest if you can believe this) and a key role of a winger is being that exit kick/switch kick receiver (which is often a mark)...he doesn't really DO that.

    So now that the dust has somewhat settled - and with the understanding that I still think he is a quality player - where EXACTLY is he going to fit in...and if it is outside the game, what changes to his on-field behaviours will he need to make in order to adapt...and can he??
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    Re: Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    Play him inside at contests around the ground (not centre square), Hunter, VDM and JJ to play through wing.
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    Re: Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    What is an outside player these days? He’s definitely inside-out, but no reason why he can’t do more work running and kicking in our side where there will be less reliance on him getting the ball in tight.
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    Re: Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    I was citing it more as a way he could fit into what we're trying to do, as at first glance we absolutely do not need another centre square midfielder. You're right in saying that he's never done it before, but is that because he can't or because he can do other things that teams find more valuable? There's a clear weakness in our team and has been for years, and Treloar is as suited as anyone else in the side to fill it.

    Handballing a lot is not fatal to a winger's game and using handball to be involved in possession chains can be incredibly valuable. And who knows, maybe the split second extra he'll have to dispose of the ball will improve his kicking (which honestly really isn't that bad).

    He's probably just going to be a rotation with Baz, but I don't see any reason why, with the tools in his kit, that he wouldn't be fantastic at a role on the outside, and at any rate I kinda wanna see it.
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    Re: Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    Was Chris Judd an outside mid? Not known for his kicking either
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    Re: Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    He will be fantastic for us given so much footy these days is played through multiple stoppages.
    We have one player who can genuinely breakaway from congestion (Smith) and now we have two. I'd have one of Treloar or Smith at the contest at all times given Baz can also win his own ball or receive.

    Pure inside: Dunkley/Libba
    Breakaway/burst mids: Treloar/Smith
    Evasive 'do to all' mids: Bont/Macrae

    There's our rotations. Macrae is going to have to learn to play high half forward again to allow others their chance in the centre.
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    Re: Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mofra View Post
    He will be fantastic for us given so much footy these days is played through multiple stoppages.
    We have one player who can genuinely breakaway from congestion (Smith) and now we have two. I'd have one of Treloar or Smith at the contest at all times given Baz can also win his own ball or receive.

    Pure inside: Dunkley/Libba
    Breakaway/burst mids: Treloar/Smith
    Evasive 'do to all' mids: Bont/Macrae

    There's our rotations. Macrae is going to have to learn to play high half forward again to allow others their chance in the centre.
    I can see this working.

    Not to say that the likes of Macrae and Treloar can't take some time on the outside alongside Smith. It may not be their full time roles but all of these players are smart enough to find an advantage and bring different skills to the table.

    I actually think Jacko does some of his best work when given some space and able to cut the angles with lateral kicking to open up the ground.

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    Re: Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    I can see this working.

    Not to say that the likes of Macrae and Treloar can't take some time on the outside alongside Smith. It may not be their full time roles but all of these players are smart enough to find an advantage and bring different skills to the table.

    I actually think Jacko does some of his best work when given some space and able to cut the angles with lateral kicking to open up the ground.
    Agree on Macrae particularly - in a different way, he might be a bit Caleb like in his ability to hit angles across HF.
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    Re: Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    I actually think Jacko does some of his best work when given some space and able to cut the angles with lateral kicking to open up the ground.
    I'd actually like to see him outside a little more so he can bring back his sidestep. It was beautiful in his first couple of seasons but we don't see it anywhere often enough these days.
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    Re: Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    Should probably note that this is also when he can be his most frustrating!

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    Re: Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    Apols up front for some form of death by stats but in in terms of Adam's kick to handball ratio he does sit in the higher category of ~1.20 handballs per kick, but he is in very good company with Fyfe, Jacko, Libba, Mitchell all with higher ratios, and on par with Oliver.

    However, of the 49 players who averaged more than 20 disposals per game this season, Adam was still ranked at #22 for most disposals by foot. This is a higher avg disposal by foot than Marcus, Jacko, Bailey and Libba, and ahead of Pendlebury, Tim Kelly, Petracca, Oliver, Steele, and Fyfe etc etc. Interestingly, of those players averaging more than ~20 disposals per game, Matt Crouch and Josh Dunkley sit way out on top of the league for their H/K ratio at 1.57, with Josh sitting in the bottom 40th percentile for disposals by foot (>=10 games played).

    Anyway back on topic, Adam also sits in the top 15 in the league for average inside 50s, and ahead of the likes of Shiel, Josh Kelly, Shuey, Oliver, Steele, Prestia, and our own Bailey Smith etc etc.

    As for average clearances, he sits in the top 8 in the league, ahead of all of our mids, and on par with Lachie Neale.

    I don't think we should be selling Adam to short on his ability to be damaging on the outside.
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    Re: Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    Treloar is not an inside mid as such. I'd describe him as more predator who specialises in getting the ball from spillage and then sprinting into space. He relies heavily on his capacity to break free into space. If he's able to do that, he is a very damaging player. At Collingwood he was forced to play more as an inside mid as Adams is their only real first dibs, bottom of the pack mid. At the dogs, he'll have more support from the likes of Libba and McCrae. I think he'll be a better player at the dogs if his hammies hold out.

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    Re: Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    Apparently Treloar cant play on the outside.... Looks like the AFL.com highlights disagree

    This guy adds a massive point of difference to our midfield group, we just need someone to cover him as he goes forward.

    Dunks we need your help with something...

    https://www.afl.com.au/video/523574/..._COMPETITION:1

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    Re: Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    Quote Originally Posted by kruder View Post
    Apparently Treloar cant play on the outside.... Looks like the AFL.com highlights disagree

    This guy adds a massive point of difference to our midfield group, we just need someone to cover him as he goes forward.

    Dunks we need your help with something...

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    Re: Treloar as an outside mid - Please explain.

    I just like his goal kicking nous - looks like an upgrade on both Dunks and Macrae
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