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    Quote Originally Posted by comrade View Post
    Shame for Easton but I'll never understand why we signed him on a multiple year deal at 30+ years old with his history of soft tissue issues.
    Agreed and quite a few of us expressed this view at the time.

    Nothing wrong with year to year contracts for players over 30 who aren't in the top echelon. Hopefully it is just a blip but if he has 2 significantly injury affected seasons the decision to grant him a second year is going to look silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe Man View Post
    Agreed and quite a few of us expressed this view at the time.

    Nothing wrong with year to year contracts for players over 30 who aren't in the top echelon. Hopefully it is just a blip but if he has 2 significantly injury affected seasons the decision to grant him a second year is going to look silly.
    nah, he deserves two years. Premiership Captain, now a legend of the club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    nah, he deserves two years. Premiership Captain, now a legend of the club.
    Completely disagree. Nothing to do with deserving it. Let's not forget he has just come off a long term lucrative contract, it's not like he hasn't been well rewarded already.

    Let's say Libba makes it through another couple of years and goes again but with a knee held together with duct tape, would you be happy to give him another 2 years just because he is a premiership player and a legend of the club?

    Increasingly you will find players making decisions entirely in their own best interests like Dunkley. You obviously don't want to make decisions that get the playing group offside but ultimately you have to do what is best for the club.

    List management requires tough calls, there is no room for sentiment (although I don't even think this was a tough call - it is pretty standard across the league for a player of Easton's age, injury history and standing within the team - no longer an automatic pick, to receive year to year contracts).

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    Even if Easton sat the whole year out with hamstring issues I suspect we'd still sign him up for 2022 if he wasn't already. We are the same club that gave Picken an extra year despite him not being able to turn the lights on in his house his concussion issues were that bad. This just saves us the time of having to negotiate another contract.

    Besides, if a 30 year old medium defender that is arguably not even best 22 any more and has a long history of soft tissue injuries and who hasn't excelled playing his natural game for at least 3 years isn't worthy of a 2 year contract, who is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe Man View Post
    List management requires tough calls, there is no room for sentiment (although I don't even think this was a tough call - it is pretty standard across the league for a player of Easton's age, injury history and standing within the team - no longer an automatic pick, to receive year to year contracts).
    In terms of list management we should be well past the time about caring if players were part of our 2016 premiership and we should just make sound list management decisions. To say he is a legend or a premiership captain and that he deserved a multi year deal because of that is the recipe for below required performances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe Man View Post
    Completely disagree. Nothing to do with deserving it. Let's not forget he has just come off a long term lucrative contract, it's not like he hasn't been well rewarded already.

    Let's say Libba makes it through another couple of years and goes again but with a knee held together with duct tape, would you be happy to give him another 2 years just because he is a premiership player and a legend of the club?

    Increasingly you will find players making decisions entirely in their own best interests like Dunkley. You obviously don't want to make decisions that get the playing group offside but ultimately you have to do what is best for the club.

    List management requires tough calls, there is no room for sentiment (although I don't even think this was a tough call - it is pretty standard across the league for a player of Easton's age, injury history and standing within the team - no longer an automatic pick, to receive year to year contracts).
    In the past 30 was over the hill and I too called for players to be not given extensions etc, but these days players are super fit. We need Wood's experience in the backline as we don't have many down there.

    I am happy he gets his two years, but yes could end up a big bust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    In the past 30 was over the hill and I too called for players to be not given extensions etc, but these days players are super fit. We need Wood's experience in the backline as we don't have many down there.

    I am happy he gets his two years, but yes could end up a big bust.
    Yet suggestions that we were interested in Isaac Smith were shot down due to his age and even given his performances have been of a high standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    Yet suggestions that we were interested in Isaac Smith were shot down due to his age and even given his performances have been of a high standard.
    He wasn't a player we needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    He wasn't a player we needed.
    Because of his age if I remember correctly
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    Because of his age if I remember correctly
    Yes, I prefer to give young kids a go unless there is a need like Stefan Martin and long term players like Wood who are needed for their leadership. AS long as they can still contribute to the team. Isaac Smith is not who we needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Yes, I prefer to give young kids a go unless there is a need like Stefan Martin and long term players like Wood who are needed for their leadership. AS long as they can still contribute to the team. Isaac Smith is not who we needed.
    But I thought players were fitter now than ever and that has extended their careers?
    You keep saying Smith wasn't what we needed but at the time it was because of his age. I do get confused with the moving bornadog WAH logic
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    But I thought players were fitter now than ever and that has extended their careers?
    You keep saying Smith wasn't what we needed but at the time it was because of his age. I do get confused with the moving bornadog WAH logic
    Let me put it another way:

    Trading in players where we will only get a couple of years for them should be done only if we need them. Stefan Martin is the player we needed to help in the ruck and mentor Tim. So at age 34, I am not too worried.

    Smith wasn't a player we needed and therefore at his age ie 31 years old, no point in bringing him in just for a couple of seasons, when we can cover his role.

    If he was say 25 and a gun then you can't have too many good players and go for it. I don't rate Smith as a gun, we didn't need him at age 31.

    Yes they are fitter at 30 plus, but we need to look after our 30 year olds as they provide the leadership.

    Pretty simple really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Let me pout it another way:
    Great Freudian slip.
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    Injury update here
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    Treloar will be ready for round 1 according to this report
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