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    Re: John Patton in big strife

    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    So if the images are unsolicited then isn't he just a garden variety sex offender?

    I mean just because he's doing it online and most likely from home, why would he be treated so much differently than anyone jumping out of the bushes on the Sandy foreshore and whipping it out?
    From all reports we have likely only seen the tip of the iceberg so far too. Apparently his offending has been indiscriminate and in no short supply and you would imagine that the floodgates of complainants might be empowered to open.

    It’s likely to get much, much worse for Jon and I can’t see a scenario where the Hawks don’t cut him loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Adelaide Connection View Post
    From all reports we have likely only seen the tip of the iceberg so far too. Apparently his offending has been indiscriminate and in no short supply and you would imagine that the floodgates of complainants might be empowered to open.

    It’s likely to get much, much worse for Jon and I can’t see a scenario where the Hawks don’t cut him loose.
    The rumours that broke this a week ago had him sending pics to dozens of girls. He's in a lot of trouble, and the AFL would be shitting themselves if other players start getting named.
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    Re: John Patton in big strife

    Quote Originally Posted by The Adelaide Connection View Post
    From all reports we have likely only seen the tip of the iceberg so far too.
    Now there's a metaphor for the situation.

    What I just don't get about this whole thing is that surely highly paid, wealthy, fit young men would have a plethora of opportunity to behave like this with consensual partners. I mean, it's not my thing but I'm not a prude - what consenting adults do is up to them.

    Why would you need to force it onto people who aren't consenting? It would have to be some kind of mental derangement.
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    Re: John Patton in big strife

    Quote Originally Posted by EasternWest View Post
    Now there's a metaphor for the situation.

    What I just don't get about this whole thing is that surely highly paid, wealthy, fit young men would have a plethora of opportunity to behave like this with consensual partners. I mean, it's not my thing but I'm not a prude - what consenting adults do is up to them.

    Why would you need to force it onto people who aren't consenting? It would have to be some kind of mental derangement.
    Haha, I did notice that after my post but rather than editing I thought I’d leave it in as an Easter egg of sorts.

    I am no psychologist, but I suspect Patton likely has a personality disorder of sorts. Rather than have his shit behaviour reigned in or squashed by society and the people around him, his celebrity has probably allowed him to cultivate it and attain a higher level of crap bloke.

    He is certainly not the first AFL footballer to present as a terrible person and he sure as hell won’t be the last. As others have alluded to, the AFL would be shitting bricks that a plethora of other players could soon get named.
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    Re: John Patton in big strife

    Quote Originally Posted by The Adelaide Connection View Post
    Haha, I did notice that after my post but rather than editing I thought I’d leave it in as an Easter egg of sorts.

    I am no psychologist, but I suspect Patton likely has a personality disorder of sorts. Rather than have his shit behaviour reigned in or squashed by society and the people around him, his celebrity has probably allowed him to cultivate it and attain a higher level of terrible bloke.

    He is certainly not the first AFL footballer to present as a terrible person and he sure as hell won’t be the last. As others have alluded to, the AFL would be shitting bricks that a plethora of other players could soon get named.
    We also wait to see what happens with DeGoey who is allowed to train as if nothing has happened. His sexual assault charges are due to be heard in court around March
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    Re: John Patton in big strife

    Aside from this being gross and sexually violent, its just so WEIRD man. How could you look at him the same way ever again?

    The Hawks, being the late stage capitalists they are, will rightly realise that the social capital they will get out of sacking him far outweighs what he can bring on the field and sack him. The right outcome as long as they don’t show their working out.
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    Re: John Patton in big strife

    While the AFL/Hawthorn would want to send out a pretty positive image that they are taking this seriously (and Patton is a great scapegoat as he has a profile but is also shithouse thus expendable) I will be surprised if it's much more than a fine/internal suspension and sending him off to some bullshit "respect for women" course.

    They'd want to be careful about what precedent they set because there is absolutely multiple AFL players doing this (or worse or similiar). You don't want to very publicly sack Patton for this then two weeks later reports emerge of someone valuable to the league (Lets use Bont as an hypothetical example as I imagine he is exceedingly unlikely to actually do something like this) and everyone having to backflip why his case is different and can be served through an just educational course.
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    Re: John Patton in big strife

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    Aside from this being gross and sexually violent, its just so WEIRD man. How could you look at him the same way ever again?

    The Hawks, being the late stage capitalists they are, will rightly realise that the social capital they will get out of sacking him far outweighs what he can bring on the field and sack him. The right outcome as long as they don’t show their working out.
    It is all speculative at this stage, but I have heard it is not only lewd messages and photos but also video involved. If true, surely he must be sacked.
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    Re: John Patton in big strife

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    Aside from this being gross and sexually violent, its just so WEIRD man. How could you look at him the same way ever again?

    The Hawks, being the late stage capitalists they are, will rightly realise that the social capital they will get out of sacking him far outweighs what he can bring on the field and sack him. The right outcome as long as they don’t show their working out.
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    Re: John Patton in big strife

    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    It's a serious offense if proven to be true. I would imagine there is a team with the police that deal with this
    Victoria Police have specialist Sexual Offences and Child Abuse Investigation teams at most commands but I don't know if they only deal with physical assault or not. They used to have a Serious Sexual Crime Unit located in Flinders Street (long story short, I had to make a witness statement to support an old friend and something that happened to her) who would have handled this but I think that they have been replaced.
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    I didn't think I'd be reading the phrase 'late stage capitalist' on WOOF today, but I'm here for it.
    It's the best new phrase I've heard since "post colonialism"
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    Re: John Patton in big strife

    Apparently in hospital to treat ongoing mental health issues:

    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...13-p56twm.html

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    Re: John Patton in big strife

    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    Apparently in hospital to treat ongoing mental health issues:

    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...13-p56twm.html
    Surprise, surprise.
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    Re: John Patton in big strife

    Likely career over, reputation in tatters. No doubt he's struggling.
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    Re: John Patton in big strife

    Quote Originally Posted by Mofra View Post
    Likely career over, reputation in tatters. No doubt he's struggling.
    I wish him a speedy recovery but I wonder at what point did he realise he needed help.
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