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09-08-2021, 03:53 PM
#211
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
Schache lack of physical presence was a weakness that was exposed yesterday. I don't know if it can be taught, but it comes natural for some people. You see all the A grade defenders: Keath, Harris, May, Grimes etc... You will see they are always irritating close, cloth hanger like to their opponent. The 30 cm gap, is slight seconds in timing that makes all the difference in spoiling and out positioning an opponent.
When he got outmarked by Wight, there was stuff all physical contact with Wight. How can you be that tall, and not throw your weight around ?
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09-08-2021, 04:38 PM
#212
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
Wright took 7 marks. What is so special about that? Nothing. We had a player (key forward) take 7 marks. And neither took the most in the match.
Wright won the game by kicking properly. Wish we had players who would.
His success came from within. It was not handed to him. That’s what the game is about. This should be a valuable lesson for the Dogs.
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09-08-2021, 04:50 PM
#213
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
Originally Posted by
Danjul
Wright took 7 marks. What is so special about that? Nothing. We had a player (key forward) take 7 marks. And neither took the most in the match.
Wright won the game by kicking properly. Wish we had players who would.
His success came from within. It was not handed to him. That’s what the game is about. This should be a valuable lesson for the Dogs.
I agree. Schache wasn't the problem. The lace out delivery to Peter Wright that the Bombers midfield provided was outstanding. There was maybe one/two instances where you could suggest that Schache could have positioned better.
at the other end - Bruce, Scott, The Bont, JUH, English all miss very gettable goals.
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09-08-2021, 04:58 PM
#214
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
Originally Posted by
Danjul
Wright took 7 marks. What is so special about that? Nothing. We had a player (key forward) take 7 marks. And neither took the most in the match.
Wright won the game by kicking properly. Wish we had players who would.
His success came from within. It was not handed to him. That’s what the game is about. This should be a valuable lesson for the Dogs.
Our midfield was very bad. Schache was pretty bad. If our midfield played well, it wouldn’t have mattered how Schache went. If Schache played well, it would have covered how badly our mids played. If our forwards kicked better, it would have covered up all sins.
In short; we were crap everywhere.
Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.
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09-08-2021, 05:02 PM
#215
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
Wright had only kicked 18 for the entire season before yesterday, and the Dons midfield has been pretty good all year.
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09-08-2021, 05:21 PM
#216
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
The thing that frustrated me the most was 2, maybe 3, occasions where Shack was behind a 200cm key forward and decided to go up with flat hands trying to ??outmark him??. Put a bloody fist through it.
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09-08-2021, 05:27 PM
#217
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
Originally Posted by
comrade
Our midfield was very bad. Schache was pretty bad. If our midfield played well, it wouldn’t have mattered how Schache went. If Schache played well, it would have covered how badly our mids played. If our forwards kicked better, it would have covered up all sins.
In short; we were crap everywhere.
We had our opportunities but didn't take them:
We took 20 marks inside 50 and inside-50 count was 60-39. That is a winning combination, but with all the misses you are stuffed
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Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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09-08-2021, 05:28 PM
#218
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
Originally Posted by
jazzadogs
The thing that frustrated me the most was 2, maybe 3, occasions where Shack was behind a 200cm key forward and decided to go up with flat hands trying to ??outmark him??. Put a bloody fist through it.
This is where Gardner is good. He knows he won't out mark his opponent, but just goes the fist.
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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09-08-2021, 05:30 PM
#219
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
We had our opportunities but didn't take them:
We took 20 marks inside 50 and inside-50 count was 60-39. That is a winning combination, but with all the misses you are stuffed
Yeah, just an insane stat line. One side was efficient as hell and shot the lights out, the other couldn’t buy a goal. As frustrating a game as I can remember, made worse by it being Essendon and disastrous with the loss of Bruce.
One of the worst Bulldog supporting days in a long time.
Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.
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09-08-2021, 05:32 PM
#220
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
This is where Gardner is good. He knows he won't out mark his opponent, but just goes the fist.
I'm not sold on Gardner's ability to defend the high ball, as like Schache he doesn't have a strong presence in the air.
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09-08-2021, 05:32 PM
#221
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
Originally Posted by
comrade
Yeah, just an insane stat line. One side was efficient as hell and shot the lights out, the other couldn’t buy a goal. As frustrating a game as I can remember, made worse by it being Essendon and disastrous with the loss of Bruce.
One of the worst Bulldog supporting days in a long time.
I hate losing to Essendon, but the Bruce loss is devastating, especially for him when he decided to come to us thinking he can play finals.
Poor bloke
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Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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09-08-2021, 05:57 PM
#222
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
Originally Posted by
Mantis
I'm not sold on Gardner's ability to defend the high ball, as like Schache he doesn't have a strong presence in the air.
Agree. Schache and Gardner are not the answer. Cordy isn’t either. God we are desperate for another A grader to support Keath.
I will never see #16 the same!!
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09-08-2021, 05:58 PM
#223
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
Originally Posted by
DOG GOD
Agree. Schache and Gardner are not the answer. Cordy isn’t either. God we are desperate for another A grader to support Keath.
Gardner has only lost one, 1 on 1 in the games he played this year.
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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09-08-2021, 05:58 PM
#224
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
Originally Posted by
Mantis
I'm not sold on Gardner's ability to defend the high ball, as like Schache he doesn't have a strong presence in the air.
Gardner will punch when given the opportunity and has far superior closing speed.
He's no world beater but when fit he's easily in front of Schache as a defender
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09-08-2021, 06:15 PM
#225
Re: Time to pull the Liam Jones move.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Gardner has only lost one, 1 on 1 in the games he played this year.
That’s fine, but even if Gardner, Cordy and Schache played yesterday, we probably still would have lost.
Keath is VERY important, and I think we need another A grader to support, then Gardner/young as the third.
I will never see #16 the same!!