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    Re: EPL 2021-2022 Season

    This is another well written article from the Guardian

    https://www.theguardian.com/football...ality-collapse

    Particularly liked this bit

    "There will of course be a hostile response to such observations, if only because football, and indeed all human experience, has become so aggressively tribal. There is a genuine conviction out there that uneasiness over a Saudi presence in English football is based in hostility towards Newcastle United. In reality the opposite is true: it is an expression of respect for the club as something of value.

    Yet there is also an undeniable logic in the argument that this is nobody else’s business; that the world is bent a certain way; and that it isn’t Newcastle’s job to fix it.

    Welcome to English football 2021, a place where nobody is really clean. From the first stirrings of the Deep Thatcherite model, to the Scudamore globalism years, to laundromat finances, hidden investors, blood money at three removes, the Premier League hasn’t just thrown its moral compass overboard. It never actually brought one on deck in the first place.
    And so we arrive at a place where there can be no good owners, no white knights, no sane model capable of competing, or even any way of fixing this. Why should Newcastle alone carry that flag? Why don’t we all just dive in and gorge ourselves on the entrails?

    There are two points worth making about this. First, there is still such a thing as a question of degree. Walk arm-in-arm with the Saudi state and the faux morality around football simply collapses. By way of example, the chief operator behind the fund that will act as the Premier League’s newest member, is, according to US intelligence, personally responsible for ordering the murder of a Saudi citizen who was dismembered.

    Is that going to work? How closely does this – bone-sawing your political opponents – fit with that idea of governance, of integrity, of benevolent control of the national asset? What is the correct response here? Apart, obviously, from “Announce Mbappé”?"

    I think there is a general understanding that Newcastle and the fans are excited by getting rid of Ashley and the upcoming influx of cash, and that this situation isn't of their making, but hopefully there is also understanding that questions need to be asked of the processes which got us to this point.

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    Re: EPL 2021-2022 Season

    Brentford is the way.

    Genius gambler owner > blood money Saudi owner
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    Re: EPL 2021-2022 Season

    Quote Originally Posted by comrade View Post
    Brentford is the way.

    Genius gambler owner > blood money Saudi owner
    It's a deep rabbit hole once you shine a light down there.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...xports-resumed

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    So there's now apparently legally binding assurances the Saudi's won't have control over the club. Whilst assurances in themselves can't actually be legally binding, it's at least a step in the right direction meaning we can now just be one of the richer clubs that have compromised (dirty) money flowing to them.

    I hadn't done a lot of research into the takeover bid, I'll be honest, because I just never saw or imagined a future in which Ashley wasn't going to be screwing us. Now I'm starting to become a little more educated on it I'm still uneasy about having to compromise my values with my love for the club, and in honesty, it's made me reflect upon how lucky we are the AFL is structured so differently than other football codes around the world.

    I guess that's one of the upsides of being a bush league relative to others on the world stage, and a good reason in making sure that Australia's population growth is capitalised upon to grow the game without having to try and spread into international markets, because as soon as you start going global your become more compromised than you already are.

    The seriousness of the situation aside, this is the type of shit that's going to crack me up until things settle:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...saudi-25167349

    If we're digging up Kevin Keegan for the fiftieth time and trying to get Shearer onboard it's going to be a bit of a circus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    So there's now apparently legally binding assurances the Saudi's won't have control over the club. Whilst assurances in themselves can't actually be legally binding, it's at least a step in the right direction meaning we can now just be one of the richer clubs that have compromised (dirty) money flowing to them.

    I hadn't done a lot of research into the takeover bid, I'll be honest, because I just never saw or imagined a future in which Ashley wasn't going to be screwing us. Now I'm starting to become a little more educated on it I'm still uneasy about having to compromise my values with my love for the club, and in honesty, it's made me reflect upon how lucky we are the AFL is structured so differently than other football codes around the world.

    I guess that's one of the upsides of being a bush league relative to others on the world stage, and a good reason in making sure that Australia's population growth is capitalised upon to grow the game without having to try and spread into international markets, because as soon as you start going global your become more compromised than you already are.

    The seriousness of the situation aside, this is the type of shit that's going to crack me up until things settle:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...saudi-25167349

    If we're digging up Kevin Keegan for the fiftieth time and trying to get Shearer onboard it's going to be a bit of a circus.
    While by no means perfect, the member driven club model we have here is something we should cherish. Hopefully private ownership of AFL teams is something we can keep out of the game.

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    Re: EPL 2021-2022 Season

    This is a list NUFC.com aggregated of candidates for the top job now we're probably ready to sack Bruce"

    Steven Gerrard (Rangers)
    Paulo Fonseca (unattached)
    Antonio Conte (unattached)
    Eddie Howe (unattached)
    Frank Lampard (unattached)
    Zinedine Zidane (unattached)
    Graham Potter (Brighton)
    Roberto Martinez (Belgium)
    Brendan Rodgers (Leicester City)
    Lucian Favre (unattached)
    Rafa Benitez (Everton)
    Gareth Southgate (England)
    Andre Vilas-Boas (unattached)
    Unai Emery (Villarreal)
    Ralf Rangnick (Lokomotiv Moscow)*
    Antero Henrique (unattached)*
    Luis Campos (unattached)*
    Brian Marwood (Manchester City)*

    * linked with Sporting Director-type role

    Anyone of clear quality posters think we should go for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    This is a list NUFC.com aggregated of candidates for the top job now we're probably ready to sack Bruce"

    Steven Gerrard (Rangers)
    Paulo Fonseca (unattached)
    Antonio Conte (unattached)
    Eddie Howe (unattached)
    Frank Lampard (unattached)
    Zinedine Zidane (unattached)
    Graham Potter (Brighton)
    Roberto Martinez (Belgium)
    Brendan Rodgers (Leicester City)
    Lucian Favre (unattached)
    Rafa Benitez (Everton)
    Gareth Southgate (England)
    Andre Vilas-Boas (unattached)
    Unai Emery (Villarreal)
    Ralf Rangnick (Lokomotiv Moscow)*
    Antero Henrique (unattached)*
    Luis Campos (unattached)*
    Brian Marwood (Manchester City)*

    * linked with Sporting Director-type role

    Anyone of clear quality posters think we should go for?
    If Bruce is sacked mid season, I can't see any contracted guys in that list leaving their clubs until the end of the season.

    Conte won't come as he likes 'finished projects' where he can challenge from day one. He would be my number 1 but I think he'll replace Ole. Potter would also be a great get, I really like his football.

    Going to be interesting to see who you get, maybe Super Frank or AVB.
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    Re: EPL 2021-2022 Season

    Quote Originally Posted by chef View Post
    If Bruce is sacked mid season, I can't see any contracted guys in that list leaving their clubs until the end of the season.

    Conte won't come as he likes 'finished projects' where he can challenge from day one. He would be my number 1 but I think he'll replace Ole. Potter would also be a great get, I really like his football.

    Going to be interesting to see who you get, maybe Super Frank or AVB.
    Bruce will be in charge for one more match, then Graeme Jones for a while until they can get someone half decent.

    Knowing Newcastle we'll bring back Pardew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grantysghost View Post
    Bruce will be in charge for one more match, then Graeme Jones for a while until they can get someone half decent.

    Knowing Newcastle we'll bring back Pardew.
    As predicted.

    Steve can hold his head up, Ashley brought him in as a survival manager and he did his job.

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    Re: EPL 2021-2022 Season

    Will be interesting to see how the players respond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    Will be interesting to see how the players respond.
    Probably like 95% of them are about to get the arse, I’d imagine. Gonna be hard to motivate a bunch of guys who’re going to be playing somewhere else this time next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Underdog View Post
    Probably like 95% of them are about to get the arse, I’d imagine. Gonna be hard to motivate a bunch of guys who’re going to be playing somewhere else this time next year.
    Saint - Maximin
    Callum Wilson
    Willock
    Dubravka
    Maybe Lascelles.

    Hard to make a case for many others.

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    Hard work following the Magpies, but at least we got a point and benefited from VAR at a crucial time for a change.

    Benteke should have already sealed it for Palace by that time, I wouldn't want to be a Geordie getting around south London right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    Hard work following the Magpies, but at least we got a point and benefited from VAR at a crucial time for a change.

    Benteke should have already sealed it for Palace by that time, I wouldn't want to be a Geordie getting around south London right now.
    Crazy crowd down there, but I think the Geordie lads can handle themselves. That was a clear foul.

    But I thought the defence looked good with Krafth as one of the CBs, and they really pressed up and worked hard all day.

    Wilson's goal hey wowee, and starting Fraser was interesting I don't mind it but probably because Miggy came back from international stuff.

    Positive game for me, and yes Benteke should've put it to bed.

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    Even though it was only Norwich fantastic effort to put 7 past them with my boy Mount scoring a hatty. Both our strikers being out injured didn't seem to matter much.

    What a fantastic day for our academy with Mount, James, Hudson-Odoi, Livramento and Broja all scoring and Loftus-Cheek chipping in with an assist. Golden generation.
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