Always Right Match Committee - Finals Week 1

[Vred]

Problem is, if the MC were legit, Baz would’ve been dropped 5-6 weeks ago to get a wake up call.
Wallis, Lippa, West, Schache etc must really shake their heads when the teams get announced most weeks.

For instance, Lippa and West would’ve done no worse than Dunkley and Treloar last night. At least they would’ve been match fit.

Id almost make a case for Lippa to come in, his kicking is very good and we could of bloody used it last night.

all goes back to our tall structure for me, 3 talls down back and 3 talls up forward, 2 rotating rucks, build around that, no matter how underdone some players might be.

[Mantis]

Id almost make a case for Lippa to come in, his kicking is very good and we could of bloody used it last night.

I get why Lippa isn’t playing. If you go back and watch the losses against Richmond and Melbourne you’ll see him make some crucial errors which cost us a chance of victory.

What I don’t get is why other players within the team make the same errors every week and their position is never questioned… it’s not a level playing field and that isn’t fair.

[bornadog]

We lost the Stoppage clearances by 7 and centre clearances were even. We need to address this urgently as Libba was tagged out of the game and Bont spent too much time in the forward half.

We also can't have Wood playing on tall players, those days are gone.

[Doc26]

We lost the Stoppage clearances by 7 and centre clearances were even. We need to address this urgently as Libba was tagged out of the game and Bont spent too much time in the forward half.

We also can't have Wood playing on tall players, those days are gone.

Bevo seems to discount in his pressers our constant negative hit out differentials, not placing much if any value in it, and deferring to the stoppage clearances count as the measure that counts (this count has now dropped off).

Whilst I can appreciate the argument to a point, when we’re talking a 51 to 18 hit out differential (against Lycett with a very dodgy leg and who was most doubtful of playing given he was subbed out last week) what toll is this placing on our midfielders each and every week to even or better the clearance ledger. Must be exhausting, and it’s showing.

For those few weeks that we did have Stef Martin it gave us ascendency at the stoppages that we’re simply not seeing at this time of the season.

Unfortunately by not having an effective ruckman on our list (who is not ageing nor readily available) has set this scene.

Finding one in the post season must be our number one priority given the midfield that we have and are squandering as a result.

[Danjul]

he was

For those few weeks that we did have Stef Martin it gave us ascendency at the stoppages that weÂ’re simply not seeing at this time of the season.

Unfortunately by not having an effective ruckman on our list (who is not ageing nor readily available) has set this scene.

MartinÂ’s first four games:
disposals - 10, 10, 13, 15. = 48
hitouts - 9, 12, 15, 30 = 66

SweetÂ’s first four games:
disposals - 8, 9, 9, 14 = 40
hitouts - 16, 17, 18, 31 = 82


I canÂ’t see how an injured Martin keeps the focus and shadows an available beginner who could have been developed further (and probably kept the double chance).

[Doc26]

MartinÂ’s first four games:
disposals - 10, 10, 13, 15. = 48
hitouts - 9, 12, 15, 30 = 66

SweetÂ’s first four games:
disposals - 8, 9, 9, 14 = 40
hitouts - 16, 17, 18, 31 = 82


I canÂ’t see how an injured Martin keeps the focus and shadows an available beginner who could have been developed further (and probably kept the double chance).

But at this time is Sweet a ruckman that we should be relying on to match it with the oppositions ruck stocks if we want to be a realistic contender? Sure Jordan’s at a very different juncture in his career to Stef Martin but if you’re putting forward Jordan’s hit out stats for his games played this season there is still a substantial negative differential from the 4 games that he did play where he was up against a recognised ruckman. This differential being -92. 185 to them 93 to us (removing the GC game given they had no ruckman that day).

My point being that we shouldn’t be relying on Martin or Sweet where they’re at in the career if we are realistic in matching it with the opposition’s midfield. And English is not a ruckman.

[GVGjr]

We lost the Stoppage clearances by 7 and centre clearances were even. We need to address this urgently as Libba was tagged out of the game and Bont spent too much time in the forward half.

We also can't have Wood playing on tall players, those days are gone.

So should that role fall to Williams or do we bring in a genuine 3rd tall defender?

[Danjul]

But at this time is Sweet a ruckman that we should be relying on to match it with the oppositions ruck stocks if we want to be a realistic contender? Sure Jordan’s at a very different juncture in his career to Stef Martin but if you’re putting forward Jordan’s hit out stats for his games played this season there is still a substantial negative differential from the 4 games that he did play where he was up against a recognised ruckman. This differential being -92. 185 to them 93 to us (removing the GC game given they had no ruckman that day).

My point being that we shouldn’t be relying on Martin or Sweet where they’re at in the career if we are realistic in matching it with the opposition’s midfield. And English is not a ruckman.

We lost 50% of the last 10 games after discarding Sweet as an option. And we only needed 1 additional win.

[bornadog]

So should that role fall to Williams or do we bring in a genuine 3rd tall defender?

I think you have asked this before, and I said depending on the opposition, if we need a third tall, we bring one in. (if we have one)

[bornadog]

We lost 50% of the last 10 games after discarding Sweet as an option. And we only needed 1 additional win.

At this stage of Sweets development, he gives us nothing around the ground, and he is still learning about tap work

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Bevo seems to discount in his pressers our constant negative hit out differentials, not placing much if any value in it, and deferring to the stoppage clearances count as the measure that counts (this count has now dropped off).

Whilst I can appreciate the argument to a point, when we’re talking a 51 to 18 hit out differential (against Lycett with a very dodgy leg and who was most doubtful of playing given he was subbed out last week) what toll is this placing on our midfielders each and every week to even or better the clearance ledger. Must be exhausting, and it’s showing.

For those few weeks that we did have Stef Martin it gave us ascendency at the stoppages that we’re simply not seeing at this time of the season.

Unfortunately by not having an effective ruckman on our list (who is not ageing nor readily available) has set this scene.

Finding one in the post season must be our number one priority given the midfield that we have and are squandering as a result.

Martin’s body strength at the hitouts clearly makes him a better option than English whose collision with Naughton some weeks ago has seen him struggle since. I am at a loss if Martin was available in such an important game as yesterday that he should be left to play in the VFL. As was shown Lycett became a key influence in Port’s win. Playing Martin yesterday in the AFL would have been far better conditioning for next week’s final.

[Vred]

At this stage of Sweets development, he gives us nothing around the ground, and he is still learning about tap work

I actually think it's our biggest coaching screw up this year.

The second Martin went down we should of maintained the structure we were running in the first 8 games of the season and replaced Martin with Sweet. Yes, Sweet is raw, yes, Sweet has no games under his belt, YES, he got toweled up by Gawn, arguably the best Ruck in the competition, but after playing an entire season as number 1 Ruck would he and the team as a whole been better of for it? Absolutely.

Now heading into finals we would of had a Ruck with atleast 18 games under his belt, a structure that was somewhat settled in the forward half, and NO Bont/Macrae/Hannan having to take ruck contests.

Instead we're now playing Young as a number 1 ruck..

It has been, for me, our biggest screw up this entire season, was not playing Sweet, can't develop someone when they're not getting games.

[Jam Donuts]

In: Clarkson
out: All coaches, start again

[G-Mo77]

At this stage of Sweets development, he gives us nothing around the ground, and he is still learning about tap work

How do we know that? Because of 5 games this year? We've had every opportunity to play him more with Martin down instead we do this garbage and play someone who has never played there before and play mids to help out. It's embarrassing.

The sad thing is we were screaming out for a KPD when everyone went down and Lewis Young a KPD was not even given an opportunity. He then gets the #1 ruck role. Like I said embarrassing.

[DOG GOD]

How do we know that? Because of 5 games this year? We've had every opportunity to play him more with Martin down instead we do this garbage and play someone who has never played there before and play mids to help out. It's embarrassing.

The sad thing is we were screaming out for a KPD when everyone went down and Lewis Young a KPD was not even given an opportunity. He then gets the #1 ruck role. Like I said embarrassing.

Absolutely. We had the ideal team balance and structure before Martin got injured. We were the envy with our 3 headed monster. I know injuries was a problem but we had more changes after winning games than losing games. Makes no sense. Sweet definitely should’ve been given more opportunity to allow the fwds to gel more. Give more confidence to English as well. Also, McNeil and Scott were preferred to guys like JJ coz they played more a team role. That’s gone out the door. McNeil just fell off the face of the earth.
Even when Bruce went down, the ideal opportunity to bring Wallis in and at least have that competitive guy who’s a good mark/good kick but nope we persist with Hannan who literally shows nothing. Wallis at least looks dangerous fwd at times.