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Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
Demons midfielder Clayton Oliver was also awarded the AFL Coaches Association player of the year award ahead of Marcus Bontempelli and Ollie Wines who tied for second. Jack Steele came third.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...26-p58m27.html
Put on your objective hat and compare the fab four.
What order do you rate them in 2021 and why?
Is there another mid who should gave displaced one of them?
The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.
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Re: Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
Good comparison. For me I think Clayton Oliver is looking the standout at this time of year. He was just awesome on Saturday night and clearly the front runner in current form.
However - over the course of the year is slightly different. Rounds 1-20 I thought Bont was head and shoulder above the competition - he was the next Dusty in terms of having daylight between him and the next.
I still think he is - but his awful end to the year means he likely won’t win the ultimate yard stick. For me - I think Ollie wines will win the Brownlow with a solid year of contribution until
Round 23.
As for that top 4 - could sub out Steele w Parish or with Mitchell and on any given day have the best 4 mids.
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Re: Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
For me the Bont is a far superior player to Oliver in every sense. The Bont imposes himself on the game and can turn things around in just a short burst. Yes Oliver gets more of the ball, and is a great inside player, but he doesn't cover the ground the Bont does.
Average metres gained: Bont 546m, Oliver 420m
The comparison
Player Statistics Comparison |
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Marcus Bontempelli |
Name |
Clayton Oliver |
Western Bulldogs |
Team |
Melbourne Demons |
Midfield |
Position |
Midfield |
168 |
Career Games |
122 |
Northern Knights |
Origin |
Murray Bushrangers |
November 24, 1995 |
Date of Birth |
July 22, 1997 |
25yr 9mth |
Age |
24yr 1mth |
193cm |
Height |
187cm |
93kg |
Weight |
85kg |
2013 National Draft |
Last Drafted In |
2015 National Draft |
Round 1, Pick #4 |
Last Draft Position |
Round 1, Pick #4 |
Western Bulldogs |
Last Drafted By |
Melbourne Demons |
2021 |
Stats for Season |
2021 |
23 |
Games |
23 |
15.5 |
Kicks |
14.3 |
11.5 |
Handballs |
17.4 |
27.0 |
Disposals |
31.7 |
4.0 |
Marks |
3.5 |
1.1 |
Goals |
0.4 |
0.7 |
Behinds |
0.7 |
5.1 |
Tackles |
5.2 |
0.3 |
Hitouts |
0 |
6.7 |
Inside 50s |
5.3 |
1.0 |
Goal Assists |
0.7 |
1.8 |
Frees For |
1.8 |
1.4 |
Frees Against |
1.9 |
11.2 |
Contested Possessions |
17.7 |
17.2 |
Uncontested Possessions |
14.2 |
18.6 |
Effective Disposals |
22.1 |
68.9% |
Disposal Efficiency % |
69.7% |
4.7 |
Clangers |
5.2 |
0.7 |
Contested Marks |
0.2 |
0.7 |
Marks Inside 50 |
0.3 |
5.5 |
Clearances |
7.6 |
1.9 |
Rebound 50s |
1.9 |
3.7 |
One Percenters |
1.2 |
1.0 |
Bounces |
0.2 |
84.8 |
Time On Ground % |
88.7 |
2.6 |
Centre Clearances |
2.9 |
3.0 |
Stoppage Clearances |
4.7 |
7.3 |
Score Involvements |
7.3 |
546.8 |
Metres Gained |
420.1 |
5.9 |
Turnovers |
5.3 |
2.6 |
Intercepts |
4.3 |
0.7 |
Tackles Inside 50 |
0.5 |
$735,000 |
AFL Fantasy Price |
$761,000 |
107.4 |
AFL Fantasy Score |
108.4 |
$551,400 |
Supercoach Price |
$618,300 |
119.5 |
Supercoach Score |
125.3 |
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The ones that stand out for me are Goals, Inside 50, one percenters, CM.
Oliver is ahead on Cont Poss, but that is his role.
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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Re: Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
I would not have expected this to be your opinion, BAD. I'm shocked.
"It's over. It's all over."
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Re: Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
Originally Posted by
EasternWest
I would not have expected this to be your opinion, BAD. I'm shocked.
Using facts to back my bias
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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Re: Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
Over their careers thus far Bontempelli is ahead of them all, he has a premiership medallion and plays this year with the added responsibility of the captaincy.
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Re: Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
Oliver apparently learned how to kick between our last game and the finals. If anyone is on Bont’s level it’s him.
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Re: Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
The way everyone talks about Oliver (and the way they didn't talk about him last year), I was surprised he'd played 122 games. But then, Bont was extraordinarily precocious and may have skewed my view.
I know Bont can't be the golden child every year in a media landscape obsessed with the new hotness, but for some reason the idea Bont may lose the Brownlow makes me feel extremely unhappy. If Wines wins it, fair cop, he's done the hard yards, but if Oliver pulls it off in his first really good year, that's deeply unjust given Bont's consistently good form over years.
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Re: Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
Hopefully history wont repeat itself, with a Demons player having his first standout season pipping a Bulldogs Great for a well deserved Brownlow.
It's better to die on our feet than live on our knees.
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Re: Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
Boak's had a better month than Wines.
Oliver is a bull but Bont hits the scoreboard twice as hard. I guess that is because we have so many options through the midfield that he can play forward more than Oliver. Oliver keeps going next level it's hard to seperate him and Bont at the moment.
I don't see Wines and Steele being in the same bracket as Bont and I don't think many do.
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Re: Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
Bont is best, but Oliver is closing fast. He moves fast and has wiry strength inside. Like him a lot.
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Re: Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
Can someone please explain to me the admiration for Steele?
Good player to my eye, but not great.
The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.
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Re: Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
Originally Posted by
Dry Rot
Can someone please explain to me the admiration for Steele?
Good player to my eye, but not great.
One man show in a poor team this year. He’s not as dynamic as Bont / Oliver and is perhaps more similar to Wines. Consistent and does most things well.
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Re: Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
Originally Posted by
Dry Rot
Can someone please explain to me the admiration for Steele?
Good player to my eye, but not great.
You could argue he's the best two-way mid in the game. High tackle numbers, adds a lot to their defensive midfield structures, good 1v1. Wines, Oliver and even Bont are far more offensively minded - they will tackle if they have a chance to get the ball, but really want to get it and either feed it out or run it forward.
Having said that, my eyes gloss over when the Saints play so might not be completely accurate.
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Re: Clayton Oliver vs Marcus Bontempelli vs Ollie Wines vs Jack Steele
Originally Posted by
Boots
The way everyone talks about Oliver (and the way they didn't talk about him last year), I was surprised he'd played 122 games. But then, Bont was extraordinarily precocious and may have skewed my view.
I know Bont can't be the golden child every year in a media landscape obsessed with the new hotness, but for some reason the idea Bont may lose the Brownlow makes me feel extremely unhappy. If Wines wins it, fair cop, he's done the hard yards, but if Oliver pulls it off in his first really good year, that's deeply unjust given Bont's consistently good form over years.
I reckon the year Oliver made the AA side in 2018 might counts as a good one.
Making the squad in 2020 might also constitute a good effort as well.
It's my hope Bont wins it, but if the AFLCA is voting you best in the games you've played then you're probably deserving anyway.
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
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