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    Dogs, Dees taking different training approach to Grand Final

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    AS MELBOURNE prepares for full-on match practice on Saturday, the Western Bulldogs will take a different course to next week's Grand Final with a session focused on "risk mitigation".

    Demons defender Christian Salem said on Wednesday the club would take part in a scratch match to ensure they are battle-hardened for the Optus Stadium encounter.

    However, the Dogs will be taking another route to the premiership decider, with coach Luke Beveridge saying on Thursday they would wait until their main session next Wednesday to really ramp up their preparations after the unfamiliarity of a pre-Grand Final bye.

    "We won't have a practice match. We'll have a reasonable session. Probably Wednesday the following week will be a bit of a ramp up with a couple of days out and it's a good one for us," the 2016 premiership coach said.

    "Saturday will be a risk mitigation type of day and we'll work hard and definitely training with the footys and put some things into practice that will be important for next week but it won't be a practice match."

    The Bulldogs beat Melbourne in round 19 by 20 points, having overturned their defeat to the Dees in round 11. But Beveridge said the Dogs will need to evolve again if they are to salute for their second flag in six seasons.

    "We did some things against Melbourne last time where we didn't really have that luxury of having the extra tall (Stefan Martin) so there's some positives going into this big game and we'll have a really strong focus on how we can improve on what we've been doing," he said.

    "And then how can we challenge Melbourne all over again from the previous two times we've played them this year?"

    Defender Alex Keath is "looking good" to return from his hamstring strain for the Demons clash, while Beveridge said Laitham Vandermeer, who was substituted out of the preliminary final win over Port Adelaide with a hamstring concern, was also likely to be available.

    "We believe after full assessment that he's copped a knock in his glute and he's had some referred pain and if you've had some history there the alarm bells start to ring so he put his hand up," he said.

    "The signs are looking good for Laith as well, so some positives there."

    Video of the Bulldogs celebrating last week's win over the Power surfaced post-game showing the players singing in the locker rooms. While fans enjoyed seeing the group come together after the phenomenal win, Beveridge said the footage shouldn't have been shared.

    "I'm not upset, but we're disappointed. It's an internal thing. Unfortunately, it was a staff member and phones shouldn't be used to record our players in the dressing room and definitely shouldn't be sent to anyone so we're disappointed," he said.

    "Has it caused any untold problems? No. I'm OK with people knowing that when we achieve a little milestone or create a significant memory on our timeline that we celebrate it. The game can't be too clinical, we've got to enjoy the times together and that helps you for your next challenge and mini-project.

    "We'll live and learn as a group and hopefully it doesn't happen again."
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    Re: Dogs, Dees taking different training approach to Grand Final

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post

    "I'm not upset, but we're disappointed. It's an internal thing. Unfortunately, it was a staff member and phones shouldn't be used to record our players in the dressing room and definitely shouldn't be sent to anyone so we're disappointed," he said.

    "Has it caused any untold problems? No. I'm OK with people knowing that when we achieve a little milestone or create a significant memory on our timeline that we celebrate it. The game can't be too clinical, we've got to enjoy the times together and that helps you for your next challenge and mini-project.

    "We'll live and learn as a group and hopefully it doesn't happen again."
    What a crock of shit this is.

    No doubt the version widely shared version comes from a staff member, but Lin Jong shares a different version on his socials which clearly comes from a player and that's ok?? Or are we condemning Jongy too?

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    Loved the footage, nothing disappointing about it, as Ameet said we want people to come to work and be themselves.

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    Re: Dogs, Dees taking different training approach to Grand Final

    Strange that the video is even a point of discussion. I get they like to have some stuff “for themselves” but there’s nothing to worry about, or really waste energy on.

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    Re: Dogs, Dees taking different training approach to Grand Final

    So who are Melbourne going to pretend gets injured in this practice match?

    They don’t really have any selection headaches and Jones is back in Melbourne, but maybe they think they don’t need an extra tall up forward?
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    Re: Dogs, Dees taking different training approach to Grand Final

    Are we in a better position or is Melbourne in regards to games and breaks.

    Dogs - three straight finals, then break, then GF - lighter training load then ramp up

    Melbourne two finals and two breaks in 28 day period (to GF) - full on simulated game this weekend, with contact etc.
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    Re: Dogs, Dees taking different training approach to Grand Final

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Are we in a better position or is Melbourne in regards to games and breaks.

    Dogs - three straight finals, then break, then GF - lighter training load then ramp up

    Melbourne two finals and two breaks in 28 day period (to GF) - full on simulated game this weekend, with contact etc.
    Ours feels like the better run in, but only in the sense that we get some relief from the massive undertaking from outside the four travel wise. A little more linear in its progression.

    Not convinced it is a meaningful factor. But it will be used as an explanation for the result if we win.

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    Re: Dogs, Dees taking different training approach to Grand Final

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Are we in a better position or is Melbourne in regards to games and breaks.

    Dogs - three straight finals, then break, then GF - lighter training load then ramp up

    Melbourne two finals and two breaks in 28 day period (to GF) - full on simulated game this weekend, with contact etc.
    In 1954 we played 1 game in 28 days leading to GF and that didn't hurt.

    Melbourne are just preparing excuses to explain a potential defeat.
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    Re: Dogs, Dees taking different training approach to Grand Final

    Allowing Stef 2 full weeks to recover is huge, imo.
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    Re: Dogs, Dees taking different training approach to Grand Final

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    Allowing Stef 2 full weeks to recover is huge, imo.
    Yep.

    Not too mention two weeks into the PE teacher's hammies.
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    Re: Dogs, Dees taking different training approach to Grand Final

    Imagine if Petracca gets a mild concussion in their scratch match! Only takes a stray elbow in a marking contest, or an awkward landing. I am glad that our preparation won't require us to risk our players in match simulation.

    Does anyone have stats for how we perform off a bye/break over the last few years?

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    Re: Dogs, Dees taking different training approach to Grand Final

    Quote Originally Posted by jazzadogs View Post
    Imagine if Petracca gets a mild concussion in their scratch match! Only takes a stray elbow in a marking contest, or an awkward landing. I am glad that our preparation won't require us to risk our players in match simulation.

    Does anyone have stats for how we perform off a bye/break over the last few years?
    Somehow I think Petracca will be fine. Michael Hibberd or Jayden Hunt (whichever one they don't want to pick) better watch themselves though.
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    Re: Dogs, Dees taking different training approach to Grand Final

    Quote Originally Posted by jazzadogs View Post
    Imagine if Petracca gets a mild concussion in their scratch match! Only takes a stray elbow in a marking contest, or an awkward landing. I am glad that our preparation won't require us to risk our players in match simulation.

    Does anyone have stats for how we perform off a bye/break over the last few years?
    Prob not great as we’ve lost week 1 of finals the past 2 years.

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    Re: Dogs, Dees taking different training approach to Grand Final

    Dees are apparently doing their match sim session under lights tonight. Seems like a good idea to me.
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    Re: Dogs, Dees taking different training approach to Grand Final

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Are we in a better position or is Melbourne in regards to games and breaks.

    Dogs - three straight finals, then break, then GF - lighter training load then ramp up

    Melbourne two finals and two breaks in 28 day period (to GF) - full on simulated game this weekend, with contact etc.
    We are. We are battle hardened and have been playing on the edge for a month but Melbourne have to match sim to stay in that space. Match sims have risk of injuries which is not cool a week out from a GF.

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