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    Re: On the day - The CBD conundrum.

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    The scarey part is mate the midfield group WERE huddling together before each CBD. What they were actually talking about though is the question that should be asked.
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    Re: On the day - The CBD conundrum.

    Quote Originally Posted by EasternWest View Post
    Bailey Smith's rig I bet.


    Or why he has a frilled neck lizard on his scapula.

    My interpretation: they have ice in their veins. (I’ll see myself out)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    The scarey part is mate the midfield group WERE huddling together before each CBD. What they were actually talking about though is the question that should be asked.
    Having no plan for this was inexcusable for me. It was the glaring obvious in the Geelong game that was the difference, and yet our guys in the mid just were scratching their heads.

    We suddenly looked as slow as the Washington Generals in the middle, Bont was always stretching for a Petracca running away, Libba and Macrae were like sign posts. Surely we had a plan B, perhaps get some quicker legs in there such as Smith to stay goal side of Petracca and not allow him to run directly out. Or trying Treloar and Dunks perhaps.
    For a team with such reported midfield depth we seemed to have no options, that's what bothered me.


    Also picking Cordy over Gardner was a huge mistake, just thought i'd put that out there again.

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    Re: On the day - The CBD conundrum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberdoggie View Post
    Having no plan for this was inexcusable for me. It was the glaring obvious in the Geelong game that was the difference, and yet our guys in the mid just were scratching their heads.

    We suddenly looked as slow as the Washington Generals in the middle, Bont was always stretching for a Petracca running away, Libba and Macrae were like sign posts. Surely we had a plan B, perhaps get some quicker legs in there such as Smith to stay goal side of Petracca and not allow him to run directly out. Or trying Treloar and Dunks perhaps.
    For a team with such reported midfield depth we seemed to have no options, that's what bothered me.


    Also picking Cordy over Gardner was a huge mistake, just thought i'd put that out there again.
    Why? I don't think this made one bit of diffference to the result. Cordy did his job.

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    Re: On the day - The CBD conundrum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberdoggie View Post
    Having no plan for this was inexcusable for me. It was the glaring obvious in the Geelong game that was the difference, and yet our guys in the mid just were scratching their heads.

    We suddenly looked as slow as the Washington Generals in the middle, Bont was always stretching for a Petracca running away, Libba and Macrae were like sign posts. Surely we had a plan B, perhaps get some quicker legs in there such as Smith to stay goal side of Petracca and not allow him to run directly out. Or trying Treloar and Dunks perhaps.
    For a team with such reported midfield depth we seemed to have no options, that's what bothered me.
    Treloar was in there a fair bit, well a fair but compared to the 2 previous finals, but really surprised to read that Dunks only had 3 CBA's.

    If Dunks isn't in there crashing bodies I'm not sure what his role is going forward because as we saw in the GF his ball use in open play isn't his greatest strength.

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    Re: On the day - The CBD conundrum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grantysghost View Post
    That 2019 draft they absolutely killed it. Jackson and Pickett, I mean Jackson went after Rowell and Anderson. Pickett they moved up the order to get him?
    Be careful. Don't be messing with the Vic-centric bias of the AFL media come draft time. Surely the ruckman from the unbeaten championship winning team would be selected way, way below two of the mids from the Vic Metro team that I think finished dead last?

    Be careful GG. Rowell was the best player in that draft, no questions about it. Please ignore the fact that Jackson was all in the National u19 Basketball team (a starter) and also led WA to that national championship...
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    Re: On the day - The CBD conundrum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    Treloar was in there a fair bit, well a fair but compared to the 2 previous finals, but really surprised to read that Dunks only had 3 CBA's.

    If Dunks isn't in there crashing bodies I'm not sure what his role is going forward because as we saw in the GF his ball use in open play isn't his greatest strength.
    Without watching back, I recall he was at plenty of stoppages around the ground. Ended up with 25 disposals
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    Re: On the day - The CBD conundrum.

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    Be careful. Don't be messing with the Vic-centric bias of the AFL media come draft time. Surely the ruckman from the unbeaten championship winning team would be selected way, way below two of the mids from the Vic Metro team that I think finished dead last?

    Be careful GG. Rowell was the best player in that draft, no questions about it. Please ignore the fact that Jackson was all in the National u19 Basketball team (a starter) and also led WA to that national championship...
    Have you got any more hidden gems over there mate? Surely there's an overlooked ruckman wasting away in the WAFL.

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    Re: On the day - The CBD conundrum.

    I haven't rewatched the game but what I remember and other people have said is that Libba was positioned as a sweeper out the back but he kept on getting sucked into the contest.

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    Re: On the day - The CBD conundrum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Testekill View Post
    I haven't rewatched the game but what I remember and other people have said is that Libba was positioned as a sweeper out the back but he kept on getting sucked into the contest.
    Yep - I remember being filthy on Libba few times in that third quarter capitulation.

    He also looked like he could barely move - out of gas?
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    Re: On the day - The CBD conundrum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Testekill View Post
    I haven't rewatched the game but what I remember and other people have said is that Libba was positioned as a sweeper out the back but he kept on getting sucked into the contest.
    Hmm.

    I remember Liber in what I would call the 'opposition hit zone' and Bont nominally in the sweeper spot but making zero effort to hold - that simply didn't seem to be part of the plan!

    To be fair, what we were doing was pretty effective until Jackson went in there.
    To be fair (#2), it wasn't like Melbourne played any kind of defensive structure at all either.
    To be fair (#3), once the opposition decide on a 'charge forward' strategy, it is very hard to stop it unless you take a highly defensive strategy. Most footy depends on one team showing at least SOME regard for the opposition - that way, when the turnover comes they aren't all sitting forward of the play lapping up the cream. Melbourne pretty much rolled the dice and charged ahead...and flipped the footy ahead of the play. I know that sounds blindingly obvious but it is so hard to stop and it is why 5 goal games turn into 12-goal games in seemingly the blink of an eye...
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    Re: On the day - The CBD conundrum.

    I've said it fifty times, but the CBD where Libba was blind turned by Petracca was the one that had me cussing most.
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    Re: On the day - The CBD conundrum.

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    Or why he has a frilled neck lizard on his scapula.

    My interpretation: they have ice in their veins. (I’ll see myself out)
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    Re: On the day - The CBD conundrum.

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    Hmm.

    I remember Liber in what I would call the 'opposition hit zone' and Bont nominally in the sweeper spot but making zero effort to hold - that simply didn't seem to be part of the plan!

    To be fair, what we were doing was pretty effective until Jackson went in there.
    To be fair (#2), it wasn't like Melbourne played any kind of defensive structure at all either.
    To be fair (#3), once the opposition decide on a 'charge forward' strategy, it is very hard to stop it unless you take a highly defensive strategy. Most footy depends on one team showing at least SOME regard for the opposition - that way, when the turnover comes they aren't all sitting forward of the play lapping up the cream. Melbourne pretty much rolled the dice and charged ahead...and flipped the footy ahead of the play. I know that sounds blindingly obvious but it is so hard to stop and it is why 5 goal games turn into 12-goal games in seemingly the blink of an eye...
    They cheat forward like nothing I've ever seen because they sag Brayshaw back and trust their floater Lever to read any dump kicks.
    It's coaching to your strengths perfectly, with all players bought in.
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    I'm not sure our guys are as drilled. Not sure I say doesn't mean I think they aren't.
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    Re: On the day - The CBD conundrum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grantysghost View Post
    They cheat forward like nothing I've ever seen because they sag Brayshaw back and trust their floater Lever to read any dump kicks.
    It's coaching to your strengths perfectly, with all players bought in.
    Yze has been a big acquisition.
    I'm not sure our guys are as drilled. Not sure I say doesn't mean I think they aren't.
    Lachie Hunter. I just said his name is all.
    Our structural deficiencies versus our ability to compete might mean you're underselling just how well drilled we are. We don't have the luxury of exposing our defence because of personnel, which means that when we're winning the ball around the contest things are that little bit more difficult for us in getting the ball forward on the burst because a turnover is likely of a higher consequence to us.
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