Injury List - 2022

[Swoop]

It has to be raised.
Melbourne has had a very healthy list for seasons now, can't be just luck

Is this factually correct?

Without putting in any time or research, Melbourne missed May with soft tissue injury last year. This year they've missed Ben Brown, Jake Lever, Hibberd, Rivers, and Salem.

Happy to be proven wrong with evidence to support your view.

[comrade]

If someone on the list is constantly injured, I’d move them on or rookie them at best. Vanders is a good example, Toby another. Lin Jong is the poster boy for this. Who has ever had a wretched injury run over a number of years and suddenly come good? It’s a short list I imagine. Gardner might be one but his injuries were less chronic and more unlucky, don’t really impact his one wood skill (closing speed, spoiling, 1%ers).

When we have such gaping holes in our list, yet carry guys that can’t get on the park due to injuries that curtail their strengths (pace for Vanders and agility for Toby for example) you start to question things. I know chemistry and morale is an intangible factor in pro sport but replace those two with a best 18 ruck man and defender on the list and I imagine the group would accept it.

[Grantysghost]

Is this factually correct?

Without putting in any time or research, Melbourne missed May with soft tissue injury last year. This year they've missed Ben Brown, Jake Lever, Hibberd, Rivers, and Salem.

Happy to be proven wrong with evidence to support your view.

What are your thoughts on our injury issues Swoop? Personally I think we've had chronic issues keeping guys on the park. No idea if it's bad management or bad luck but it's certainly a trend and worth discussing.

We will never know I guess but I hope it's being at least discussed if not reviewed internally.

Collision injuries well not much we can do, strength/fatigue related probably have more control.

Be interested to hear your thoughts; reading between the lines I am guessing you don't think there's an issue?

[Swoop]

I think injuries happen. I think our best players have played consistently over the past few seasons. This includes Bont, English, Macrae, Libba, Hunter, Bailey Smith, Dale, Daniel, Williams, Bruce and Naughton.

I thought we managed Hannan and Treloar well, who both came across from other clubs with history.

Last year we missed Dunkley, Treloar, English, Richards and Bruce all from trauma injuries. Are they preventable? Maybe, maybe not.

I like the discussion, the points people make are valid and it's an important discussion. Losing attracts a greater spotlight but I'm confident the same questions are asked behind closed doors.

It is a high intensity sport. Some players are prone to soft tissue injuries over others. Does the data indicate we have a disproportionate amount of injuries compared to other clubs? I'm not sure.

[GVGjr]

I think injuries happen. I think our best players have played consistently over the past few seasons. This includes Bont, English, Macrae, Libba, Hunter, Bailey Smith, Dale, Daniel, Williams, Bruce and Naughton.

I thought we managed Hannan and Treloar well, who both came across from other clubs with history.

Last year we missed Dunkley, Treloar, English, Richards and Bruce all from trauma injuries. Are they preventable? Maybe, maybe not.

I like the discussion, the points people make are valid and it's an important discussion. Losing attracts a greater spotlight but I'm confident the same questions are asked behind closed doors.

It is a high intensity sport. Some players are prone to soft tissue injuries over others. Does the data indicate we have a disproportionate amount of injuries compared to other clubs? I'm not sure.

Terrific observations Swoop.

Thanks

[Grantysghost]

I think injuries happen. I think our best players have played consistently over the past few seasons. This includes Bont, English, Macrae, Libba, Hunter, Bailey Smith, Dale, Daniel, Williams, Bruce and Naughton.

I thought we managed Hannan and Treloar well, who both came across from other clubs with history.

Last year we missed Dunkley, Treloar, English, Richards and Bruce all from trauma injuries. Are they preventable? Maybe, maybe not.

I like the discussion, the points people make are valid and it's an important discussion. Losing attracts a greater spotlight but I'm confident the same questions are asked behind closed doors.

It is a high intensity sport. Some players are prone to soft tissue injuries over others. Does the data indicate we have a disproportionate amount of injuries compared to other clubs? I'm not sure.

Thanks Swoop pretty good points.

I'd say compared the Demons and Tigers over the past few years it would be a fair divide but it's just from my own obs.

Other clubs hard to tell.

It's actually really hard to find any data! Almost impossible to find historical data.

[Axe Man]

INJURY UPDATE Round 9

The Western Bulldogs will be without a number of stars after a night of injury carnage at Adelaide Oval.

Cody Weightman is set for a few weeks on the sidelines, completing surgery today to repair a broken collarbone.

“Cody had heavy side impact when he performed a hip and shoulder,” Head of Sports Medicine, Chris Bell said.

“This caused him to break his collarbone.”

“This injury required surgery that has been completed today.”

“We will confirm his plan in the coming days but expect him to miss the next 2-3 games.”

Laitham Vandermeer suffered a hamstring injury in the third quarter and will spend considerable time out of the line-up.

“This is the opposite hamstring to what Laith injured in the earlier part of the season,” Bell said.

“With Laitham lacking continuity and missing considerable game time over the past month, we will look to plan a conservative rehab program that will aim to enhance his durability.”

“At this stage, we will be planning that Laitham makes a return in around 8 weeks.”

Tim O’Brien will miss multiple weeks after being substituted out of the game with a calf injury.

“Tim developed some calf tightness in the minutes following half-time,” Bell said.

“Scans have confirmed that he has a low-grade calf injury.”

“I expect that Tim will miss the next couple of weeks of football.”

Skipper Marcus Bontempelli, defender Alex Keath and ruckman Tim English will be tested during the week ahead of the Friday night clash against Collingwood.

All three will need to complete a main session before being considered for selection.

Injury update

Sam Darcy (foot) - test
Marcus Bontempelli (managed) – test
Tim English (hamstring) – test
Alex Keath (hamstring) – test
Tim O’Brien (calf) – 1-2 weeks
Cody Weightman (collarbone) – 2-3 weeks
Jason Johannisen (calf) – 2-3 weeks
Riley Garcia (knee) – 2-3 weeks
Mitch Wallis (foot) – 2-3 weeks
Josh Bruce (knee) – 4-5 weeks
Toby McLean (knee) – 4-5 weeks
Laitham Vandermeer (hamstring) – 7-8 weeks
Mitch Hannan (concussion) – indefinite
Lachie Hunter (personal) – indefinite

[Grantysghost]

8 week hammy wow. That's a bad one.

[Axe Man]

8 week hammy wow. That's a bad one.

From what Chris said I think it's more a case of wanting to take the time to reset with Vanders since he keeps doing it on both legs, rather than necessarily being an 8 week injury in normal circumstances.

[Grantysghost]

From what Chris said I think it's more a case of wanting to take the time to reset with Vanders since he keeps doing it on both legs, rather than necessarily being an 8 week injury in normal circumstances.

When he did it I thought it was an off the bone like Lloyd.

[Torpedo]

Send Vandermeer off to "Healing Hans" in Germany for the injections of calve's blood ! Pretty sure it worked for Easton Wood in his early days along with Jordan DeGoey and quite a few local and international sports stars.
SportAFLAFL 2019
This was published 2 years ago
'Healing Hans': The doctor De Goey hopes can save his September
By Jon Pierik
September 9, 2019 — 4.10pm


A former AFL club doctor insists local physicians are world class when it comes to dealing with hamstring injuries but the decades-long success of a German "celebrity sports doctor" treating Collingwood forward Jordan De Goey meant he was a trusted voice.
Dr Adam Castricum, a former Hawthorn club doctor in two premierships and a sport and exercise physician with peak body Australiasian College of Sport and Exercise Physicians, said local doctors were world leading and had tremendous success when dealing with serious – and a recurrence of – hamstring issues.De Goey has flown to Germany to see Bayern Munich's world-renowned hamstring specialist Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfahrt, having re-injured his hamstring in Friday night's qualifying final against Geelong.
The dynamic forward had just returned from a seven-week hamstring absence, and is desperate to return in September, particularly if the Magpies win through to the grand final.

Muller-Wohlfahrt, 77, has treated some of the world's most famous athletes, including Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Usain Bolt, Diego Maradona and Boris Becker.
He helped sprint superstar Bolt return in time for the Rio Olympics – and claim gold.
He has also worked with several AFL players, including Geelong premiership player Max Rooke, Collingwood's Ben Reid, Darcy Moore and Jamie Elliott, former Fremantle player Harley Bennell and Richmond's Dylan Grimes.Castricum said Muller-Wohlfahrt – known as "Healing Hans" and regarded as a celebrity sports doctor – had the benefit of working in his field for decades, and perhaps boasted a "placebo effect" because of his reputation. But, ultimately, it was his impressive history which attracted athletes.

"It's more because of his track record, I guess. We are very much realists here as to what we can do. We give people really good advice and try and reduce the risk of recurrence and do those things. We would like to be able to do that, we pride ourselves on doing the right things and also sticking to the evidence base," Castricum said.
"The best research that has come out of here [Australia], particularly with these tendon injuries, have come from practitioners here in Melbourne and Sydney who look after AFL [players] ... these subsequent injuries with tendon injuries can be more severe and, certainly, have a higher risk of recurrence."
Muller-Wohlfahrt has something of a reputation as an eccentric but his methods have been successful. A 2011 report by ESPN said his expansive clinic on the second floor of the Alte Hof in Munich – a 12th century Gothic structure that served as the first imperial residence of Germany – had all the trappings of a "fine art gallery".
The report said while the controversial Muller-Wohlfahrt was conventionally trained in medicine and orthopedics, he embraced a unique mixture of "homeopathic medicine – treatment with natural substances – and acupuncture".
"The lifeblood of his treatments is what Muller-Wohlfahrt calls 'infiltrations', in which homeopathic preparations and other substances are injected into the injury site: exotic stuff like Actovegin, an amino acid preparation derived from calves' blood, and lubricating substances containing purified hyaluronic acid and antioxidants," the ESPN report said.

Painkillers in a honey solution is another treatment.
Rooke was sent to Germany in July 2007 and had an extract of calves' blood injected into his problem hamstring. He returned to the field in time to play in the club's breakthrough premiership.
Football manager Neil Balme, who has signed off on visits by Rooke and Grimes, said Muller-Wohlfahrt had a role to play for problematic issues.
"When the guys have the chronic hamstring stuff, it's just worth having another look at it. When it's a normal hamstring, we are probably as competent as anyone else to treat it," he said.

"It was the [Geelong] docs' opinion, rather than any information I had, they thought it was worthwhile. It was a bit over-the-top treatment from memory ... but I don't remember any of detail other than paying the bill."
Castricum said he did not know what treatment De Goey would have but it could be "hands-on therapy, injection-type therapy" but
"I don't know what is actually injected, not sure at all. It's all within the WADA guidelines, that's fine. I don't think there is any concern there," he said.
Castricum, who was involved in helping former Hawthorn's Cyril Rioli overcome his hamstring issues, said he could not say if De Goey would have success.

"It depends on the nature of the player. De Goey is an explosive player," he said.
"I think when we say with hamstring injuries – 'they generally miss three weeks' – I think that is a massive generalisation because it depends if there is a tendon injury that is involved.
"Not all hamstring injuries are the same. We need to treat them a bit differently, depending on what is there.
"I am sure the Collingwood doctors know exactly what they are doing, the same with the physios."

[Grantysghost]

Calf's blood aka thymosin.

[bornadog]

TOB could be out for longer with that calf which is a worry.

No Gardner on the list, which could be good news

[EasternWest]

Send Vandermeer off to "Healing Hans" in Germany for the injections of calve's blood ! Pretty sure it worked for Easton Wood in his early days along with Jordan DeGoey and quite a few local and international sports stars.
SportAFLAFL 2019
This was published 2 years ago
'Healing Hans': The doctor De Goey hopes can save his September
By Jon Pierik
September 9, 2019 — 4.10pm


A former AFL club doctor insists local physicians are world class when it comes to dealing with hamstring injuries but the decades-long success of a German "celebrity sports doctor" treating Collingwood forward Jordan De Goey meant he was a trusted voice.
Dr Adam Castricum, a former Hawthorn club doctor in two premierships and a sport and exercise physician with peak body Australiasian College of Sport and Exercise Physicians, said local doctors were world leading and had tremendous success when dealing with serious – and a recurrence of – hamstring issues.De Goey has flown to Germany to see Bayern Munich's world-renowned hamstring specialist Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfahrt, having re-injured his hamstring in Friday night's qualifying final against Geelong.
The dynamic forward had just returned from a seven-week hamstring absence, and is desperate to return in September, particularly if the Magpies win through to the grand final.

Muller-Wohlfahrt, 77, has treated some of the world's most famous athletes, including Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Usain Bolt, Diego Maradona and Boris Becker.
He helped sprint superstar Bolt return in time for the Rio Olympics – and claim gold.
He has also worked with several AFL players, including Geelong premiership player Max Rooke, Collingwood's Ben Reid, Darcy Moore and Jamie Elliott, former Fremantle player Harley Bennell and Richmond's Dylan Grimes.Castricum said Muller-Wohlfahrt – known as "Healing Hans" and regarded as a celebrity sports doctor – had the benefit of working in his field for decades, and perhaps boasted a "placebo effect" because of his reputation. But, ultimately, it was his impressive history which attracted athletes.

"It's more because of his track record, I guess. We are very much realists here as to what we can do. We give people really good advice and try and reduce the risk of recurrence and do those things. We would like to be able to do that, we pride ourselves on doing the right things and also sticking to the evidence base," Castricum said.
"The best research that has come out of here [Australia], particularly with these tendon injuries, have come from practitioners here in Melbourne and Sydney who look after AFL [players] ... these subsequent injuries with tendon injuries can be more severe and, certainly, have a higher risk of recurrence."
Muller-Wohlfahrt has something of a reputation as an eccentric but his methods have been successful. A 2011 report by ESPN said his expansive clinic on the second floor of the Alte Hof in Munich – a 12th century Gothic structure that served as the first imperial residence of Germany – had all the trappings of a "fine art gallery".
The report said while the controversial Muller-Wohlfahrt was conventionally trained in medicine and orthopedics, he embraced a unique mixture of "homeopathic medicine – treatment with natural substances – and acupuncture".
"The lifeblood of his treatments is what Muller-Wohlfahrt calls 'infiltrations', in which homeopathic preparations and other substances are injected into the injury site: exotic stuff like Actovegin, an amino acid preparation derived from calves' blood, and lubricating substances containing purified hyaluronic acid and antioxidants," the ESPN report said.

Painkillers in a honey solution is another treatment.
Rooke was sent to Germany in July 2007 and had an extract of calves' blood injected into his problem hamstring. He returned to the field in time to play in the club's breakthrough premiership.
Football manager Neil Balme, who has signed off on visits by Rooke and Grimes, said Muller-Wohlfahrt had a role to play for problematic issues.
"When the guys have the chronic hamstring stuff, it's just worth having another look at it. When it's a normal hamstring, we are probably as competent as anyone else to treat it," he said.

"It was the [Geelong] docs' opinion, rather than any information I had, they thought it was worthwhile. It was a bit over-the-top treatment from memory ... but I don't remember any of detail other than paying the bill."
Castricum said he did not know what treatment De Goey would have but it could be "hands-on therapy, injection-type therapy" but
"I don't know what is actually injected, not sure at all. It's all within the WADA guidelines, that's fine. I don't think there is any concern there," he said.
Castricum, who was involved in helping former Hawthorn's Cyril Rioli overcome his hamstring issues, said he could not say if De Goey would have success.

"It depends on the nature of the player. De Goey is an explosive player," he said.
"I think when we say with hamstring injuries – 'they generally miss three weeks' – I think that is a massive generalisation because it depends if there is a tendon injury that is involved.
"Not all hamstring injuries are the same. We need to treat them a bit differently, depending on what is there.
"I am sure the Collingwood doctors know exactly what they are doing, the same with the physios."

Great to hear from you Torp.

[azabob]

Dan Hannebery has gone to Germany over the weekend to meet with old mate.