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25-04-2022, 09:36 PM
#121
Re: Injury List - 2022
Originally Posted by
Swoop
Is this a myth?
Keath out. Other players capable of playing the position include; Gardner, O'Brien, Cordy, Shache and Khamis. I didn't include Naughton in that list. Yes, we lost our best key position defender and he's hard to replace but no club has A graders on standby incase of an injury. Who would you have targeted in the off-season to address this issue?
Likewise, English is out with a hamstring and Martin stepped in with Sweet in reserve. I agree that we're thin in the ruck position. What players do you think would have helped us address this issue during the off-season?
Please don't misinterpret my post as a criticism, rather, I'm genuinely keen to know how could we have addressed this issue in the off-season.
I think we could have been realistic in appraising some of the players we had as back up. If we had chased a KPD to work along side Keath the impact would have been Gardner out of the team and one of Cordy, Schache and Khamis off the list. Now Gardner has been good this year, but our results have been average. With Keath out he has become really important and in some ways we may be setting ourselves up well for 2023/24 and beyond.
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25-04-2022, 11:12 PM
#122
Re: Injury List - 2022
Originally Posted by
Swoop
Is this a myth?
Keath out. Other players capable of playing the position include; Gardner, O'Brien, Cordy, Shache and Khamis. I didn't include Naughton in that list. Yes, we lost our best key position defender and he's hard to replace but no club has A graders on standby incase of an injury. Who would you have targeted in the off-season to address this issue?
Likewise, English is out with a hamstring and Martin stepped in with Sweet in reserve. I agree that we're thin in the ruck position. What players do you think would have helped us address this issue during the off-season?
Please don't misinterpret my post as a criticism, rather, I'm genuinely keen to know how could we have addressed this issue in the off-season.
It is definitely true of the ruck position. I know that the market saw a ton of backups retained and likely overpaid because of the shortage on capable players, but there are guys who played first ruck for at least 3 teams on the weekend who were not with their current teams last year (Lynch, Ladhams and Strnadica ), who all looked far more competent than anything we have to offer right now. Fort, who is playing regularly for the Lions, and Ceglar who is very okay also went to other clubs for nothing.
Defensively there weren’t off the top of my head a ton of guys moving around but there were some options. Kelly at Essendon isn’t a world beater but could have definitely helped, and I know a few on here advocated for Sam Skinner who hasn’t seemed horrible when he’s played for Port. If we absolutely had to pick a guy from the 2021 Footscray list I still don’t know why Glass-McKasker didn’t get a chance.
Would any of these options worked? Probably not (Ladhams would have and was completely perfect and I still can’t believe we didn’t at least TRY there but anyway), but doing nothing and just hoping on a wing and a prayer that nothing bad happens to anyone important was lazy and just so, so frustrating to see play out. Again.
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25-04-2022, 11:29 PM
#123
Re: Injury List - 2022
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
but doing nothing and just hoping on a wing and a prayer that nothing bad happens to anyone important was lazy and just so, so frustrating to see play out. Again.
We asked about Ceglar and he wasn't interested, we asked Soldo again no interest. I am not sure about Ladham.
Maybe we could have tried harder, with others, who knows.
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25-04-2022, 11:47 PM
#124
Re: Injury List - 2022
Originally Posted by
bornadog
We asked about Ceglar and he wasn't interested, we asked Soldo again no interest. I am not sure about Ladham.
Maybe we could have tried harder, with others, who knows.
Even if we did ask its a big problem to come away from two consecutive trade periods with the exact same shopping list with the only outcome being we recruited a cooked 35 year old and in both years lost the best backup option we were reluctantly prepared to play (Trengove and Young).
I should leave it alone but you're not right
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25-04-2022, 11:48 PM
#125
Re: Injury List - 2022
Originally Posted by
bornadog
We asked about Ceglar and he wasn't interested, we asked Soldo again no interest. I am not sure about Ladham.
Maybe we could have tried harder, with others, who knows.
You say this with confidence do any of us actually have a clue?
Not having a crack at you bad but it's impossible to know the machinations of trade week.
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25-04-2022, 11:49 PM
#126
Re: Injury List - 2022
Originally Posted by
soupman
Even if we did ask its a big problem to come away from two consecutive trade periods with the exact same shopping list with the only outcome being we recruited a cooked 35 year old and in both years lost the best backup option we were reluctantly prepared to play (Trengove and Young).
How did we keep Martin. Oh dear. JT is bad, but a better option he was loud and proud and ready to die for the cause.
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26-04-2022, 12:17 AM
#127
Re: Injury List - 2022
Originally Posted by
soupman
Even if we did ask its a big problem to come away from two consecutive trade periods with the exact same shopping list with the only outcome being we recruited a cooked 35 year old and in both years lost the best backup option we were reluctantly prepared to play (Trengove and Young).
I don't know what goes on with recruiting, but yes looks like that from the outside. Don't forget we preferred to get Bruce and Keath in 2020, so not much wiggle room.
Trengove was cooked anyhow, and Young is not a real ruckman. In fact Trengove was a Full back till he switched at Port for a year. We brought him in as a FB but he spent time rucking as well. When Bruce went down last year, we switched English to play more time forward and Young ruck.
I would have looked at another young ruckman to develop - perhaps rookie.
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26-04-2022, 10:25 AM
#128
Re: Injury List - 2022
Originally Posted by
bornadog
I don't know what goes on with recruiting, but yes looks like that from the outside. Don't forget we preferred to get Bruce and Keath in 2020, so not much wiggle room.
Trengove was cooked anyhow, and Young is not a real ruckman. In fact Trengove was a Full back till he switched at Port for a year. We brought him in as a FB but he spent time rucking as well. When Bruce went down last year, we switched English to play more time forward and Young ruck.
I would have looked at another young ruckman to develop - perhaps rookie.
If that was the case why did he line up in his first game with us at FF?
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26-04-2022, 11:07 AM
#129
Re: Injury List - 2022
Originally Posted by
Mantis
If that was the case why did he line up in his first game with us at FF?
That was a disastrous game, but you very well know we didn't bring him in as a FF. Who knows what was the thinking that day
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26-04-2022, 12:33 PM
#130
Re: Injury List - 2022
Originally Posted by
bornadog
I don't know what goes on with recruiting, but yes looks like that from the outside.
Is this speculation?
How's the spicy cough?
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26-04-2022, 01:21 PM
#131
Re: Injury List - 2022
Originally Posted by
EasternWest
Is this speculation?
How's the spicy cough?
Pure speculation!
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
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26-04-2022, 05:49 PM
#132
Re: Injury List - 2022
PLAYER |
INJURY |
ESTIMATED RETURN |
Dominic Bedendo |
Hand |
Test |
Josh Bruce |
Knee |
6-10 weeks |
Sam Darcy |
Foot |
4-6 weeks |
Tim English |
Hamstring |
3-4 weeks |
Riley Garcia |
Knee |
TBC |
Mitch Hannan |
Concussion |
Test |
Lachie Hunter |
Personal |
TBC |
Jason Johannisen |
Calf |
1-2 weeks |
Alex Keath |
Hamstring |
2-4 weeks |
Toby McLean |
Knee |
8-10 weeks |
Laith Vandermeer |
Hamstring |
1-2 weeks |
Updated: April 26, 2022 |
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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26-04-2022, 06:06 PM
#133
Re: Injury List - 2022
Originally Posted by
bornadog
PLAYER |
INJURY |
ESTIMATED RETURN |
Dominic Bedendo |
Hand |
Test |
Josh Bruce |
Knee |
6-10 weeks |
Sam Darcy |
Foot |
4-6 weeks |
Tim English |
Hamstring |
3-4 weeks |
Riley Garcia |
Knee |
TBC |
Mitch Hannan |
Concussion |
Test |
Lachie Hunter |
Personal |
TBC |
Jason Johannisen |
Calf |
1-2 weeks |
Alex Keath |
Hamstring |
2-4 weeks |
Toby McLean |
Knee |
8-10 weeks |
Laith Vandermeer |
Hamstring |
1-2 weeks |
Updated: April 26, 2022 |
How have they not confirmed Garcia by now?
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26-04-2022, 06:11 PM
#134
Re: Injury List - 2022
English is a longer time than I had thought. We need to win a few ugly until the reinforcements arrive.
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26-04-2022, 06:43 PM
#135
Re: Injury List - 2022
That’s a disaster re English.
Where’s Roarke? He didn’t play VFL on the weekend.
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