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    Re: List Managment thread (For 2022)

    I preferred it when we argued over players height.
    These other stats are making my head hurt.
    More of an In Bruges guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azabob View Post
    I preferred it when we argued over players height.
    These other stats are making my head hurt.
    All you need to know is Lewis Young and Casboult are crap.

    Gardner is good.

    Sweet jury is out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grantysghost View Post
    All you need to know is Lewis Young and Casboult are crap.

    Gardner is good.

    Sweet jury is out.
    Granty! I thought there was an embargo on calling Casbault anything until this time next week?!?
    More of an In Bruges guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azabob View Post
    Granty! I thought there was an embargo on calling Casbault anything until this time next week?!?
    Haha.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Danjul View Post
    False. Your stats averages are

    contested defence one-on-1 Young 3.2 Gardner 2.4. O’Brien 2.6. Cordy 0.4
    loss. Young 1.2 Gardner 0.7. O’Brien 1.2. Cordy 0.3
    win. Young 2. Gardner 1.7 O’Brien 1.4 Cordy 0.1

    so Young had more of these contests and won more.

    So At worst Young seems to be comparable to (Gardner who is impressing everyone with his improvement this year) and O’Brien (who has impressed everyone as a great pick up this year).

    Actually, the one who surprised me in those stats was Sweet. He scored very highly in some categories. Thanks for sharing the link.
    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    Lewis Young has lost 36.8% of defencive contests, Gardner 27.3%. I'm not sure how many each neutralises versus wins. Anyway, that's ~30% more losses for Young.

    On average Young loses 1.2 per game, Gardner 0.7 per game. That's ~53% more.
    Damn you hate to see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    Lewis Young has lost 36.8% of defencive contests, Gardner 27.3%. I'm not sure how many each neutralises versus wins. Anyway, that's ~30% more losses for Young.

    On average Young loses 1.2 per game, Gardner 0.7 per game. That's ~53% more.
    the original comment said more losses from LESS contests. Young had more contests. He won more contests and he lost more contests.

    because percentage is a relative concept it is meaningless without its context. 80% of 30 is the same as 30% of 80.

    when you look at the absolute values both Young and Gardner are having good seasons,.

    The quality of their opponents I can’t comment on so I will have to accept other assessment there.

    The most meaningful stats for the evening are the ones you presented. Where one is slightly ahead in some components of the game the other makes up for it elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grantysghost View Post
    All you need to know is Lewis Young and Casboult are crap.

    Gardner is good.

    Sweet jury is out.
    jeemak’s figures


    $454,000 AFL Fantasy Price $381,000
    58.2 AFL Fantasy Score 46.0
    $394,700 Supercoach Price $312,400
    76.7 Supercoach Score 59.7

    all 4 say Young is 25% better than Gardner.

    What did we get in return from Carlton?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danjul View Post
    jeemak’s figures


    $454,000 AFL Fantasy Price $381,000
    58.2 AFL Fantasy Score 46.0
    $394,700 Supercoach Price $312,400
    76.7 Supercoach Score 59.7

    all 4 say Young is 25% better than Gardner.

    What did we get in return from Carlton?
    Bag of chips id say (pick 52)

    We used 52 in a pick swap with North to get points for Darcy.

    We got Cleary with 61 which is a different pick im trying to track down. Job for another time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danjul View Post
    the original comment said more losses from LESS contests. Young had more contests. He won more contests and he lost more contests.

    because percentage is a relative concept it is meaningless without its context. 80% of 30 is the same as 30% of 80.

    when you look at the absolute values both Young and Gardner are having good seasons,.

    The quality of their opponents I can’t comment on so I will have to accept other assessment there.

    The most meaningful stats for the evening are the ones you presented. Where one is slightly ahead in some components of the game the other makes up for it elsewhere.
    Mate this doesn't cut it and the percentages are what they are.
    Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.

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    Re: List Managment thread (For 2022)

    Quote Originally Posted by Danjul View Post
    jeemak’s figures


    $454,000 AFL Fantasy Price $381,000
    58.2 AFL Fantasy Score 46.0
    $394,700 Supercoach Price $312,400
    76.7 Supercoach Score 59.7

    all 4 say Young is 25% better than Gardner.

    What did we get in return from Carlton?
    But the stats that matter (depending on what you think a defender should be doing) suggest he's 30-50% give or take worse than Gardner.
    Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danjul View Post
    False.
    I knew it, Danjul is Dwight Schrute.

    Quote Originally Posted by Danjul View Post
    jeemak’s figures


    $454,000 AFL Fantasy Price $381,000
    58.2 AFL Fantasy Score 46.0
    $394,700 Supercoach Price $312,400
    76.7 Supercoach Score 59.7

    all 4 say Young is 25% better than Gardner.

    What did we get in return from Carlton?
    Are you seriously using supercoach and AFL fantasy scores to argue player A is better than player B?

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    Re: List Managment thread (For 2022)

    Quote Originally Posted by Danjul View Post
    jeemak’s figures


    $454,000 AFL Fantasy Price $381,000
    58.2 AFL Fantasy Score 46.0
    $394,700 Supercoach Price $312,400
    76.7 Supercoach Score 59.7

    all 4 say Young is 25% better than Gardner.

    What did we get in return from Carlton?
    So we're now meant to ignore wing-loss percent but use supercoach points instead? You always throw up stats like number of disposals as though it's the only way to judge a players contribution but when there's an actually meaningful statistic relevant to the position the player plays like how often they lose a one-on-one contest it needs "relevant context"? Surely you can just recognize that in this particular area Gardner is out-performing Young?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hujsh View Post
    Surely you can just recognize that in this particular area Gardner is out-performing Young?
    For me stats that matter with Gardner are Spoils and 1%ers. Gardner is top three for Spoils in AFL and top 5 for Spoils
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    Mate this doesn't cut it and the percentages are what they are.
    My criticism of the original comment was it contained a factual error.

    It said more losses from less contests. That’s false.

    The original comment used the error to suggest Young is not getting into the game, whereas (if my memory of the table is accurate) his involvement number of 3.2 was almost the highest in the league.

    Moving to percentages doesn’t fix it.

    The reality is Young had more losses from more contests.

    I don’t understand how fixing that simple error before others act on it can generate so much hatred and venom. But if people must then they are free to spit it.

    I also clearly said that Gardner is doing better than Young in a number of areas (not just one) so I wasn’t demeaning him as a player . But if you and others insist, I am happy to accept Gardner is much,much,much better than Young.

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    Melbourne clubs informed as Fremantle defender shuts down contract negotiations

    https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/...down-contract/

    Griffin Logue has put contract talks on hold at Fremantle as the in-demand defender edges closer to a move away from the club.

    Sources at multiple Melbourne-based clubs said they have been informed that Logue has shut down negotiations with the Dockers until the end of the season.

    It comes as the key position stopper last night expressed his frustration at a lack of game time under Justin Longmuir this year.

    Logue has been dropped twice in the first nine rounds, including the week after receiving coaches votes in a Round 4 win over GWS.

    “For myself it is a bit frustrating. I haven’t felt like I’ve wavered too much in terms of my own form and obviously we’re in a really good spot at the moment where we’ve got a lot of depth to build off,” Logue told Channel 9 Perth.

    “Unfortunately, people are going to miss out and that’s been me a few times.”

    The Dockers stand out in a marketplace crowded with clubs searching for key defenders. Alex Pearce, Heath Chapman, Brennan Cox, Joel Hamling and Logue are all fighting over key position spots.

    West Australian Logue said he wanted to stay at Fremantle, but the 24-year-old is also prepared to hear what other clubs have to offer ahead of the trade period.

    “I’ll let that sort itself out. For now, it’s a pretty simple focus on playing the best footy I can personally, but more so as a team to see where we can take it,” Logue said last night.

    A No.8 pick in the 2016 national draft, Logue played his 50th game in the loss to Gold Coast last weekend

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