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13-06-2022, 01:58 PM
#151
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Originally Posted by
soupman
As for West and Garcia having his role already. Well this is the first time we've seen fit to give West an extended run at it basically ever, and Garcia is super injury prone. They are hardly the two most bankable mid prospects, and both also lack the size Macrae offers.
So are you saying West and Garcia won't make it as midfielders and we should look elsewhere?
McComb is also a midfielder and has shown at least at VFL level, he can get alot of the ball. Early days whether he can make it as an AFL player
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13-06-2022, 02:12 PM
#152
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Originally Posted by
bornadog
So are you saying West and Garcia won't make it as midfielders and we should look elsewhere?
McComb is also a midfielder and has shown at least at VFL level, he can get alot of the ball. Early days whether he can make it as an AFL player
I'm not saying they won't make it but I don't really think they are bankable in the slightest.
I've been pleased with West's efforts these last few weeks after basically writing him off but I still think he is undersized for a pure mid role and regardless is gonna have to work pretty hard just to be a regular player. And besides my point isn't that he isn't talented enough, more we have refused to play him more than occasionally until now (and even then how safe is his spot) so much like Young its irrelevant how good he can be if we don't want to put the time in.
Garcia could have all the talent in the world, but is so injury prone that he's at best a 5050 shot of getting a good enough run for us to figure that out. Many more talented prospects have not made it in the same circumstances, Morabito a good example from Freo, even Tom Williams with us.
If you are banking on either of them to be our next generation of mids id be worried.
As for McComb he is fine but not sure he has shown he is capable of being anything more than depth, and at his age isn't exactly the next generation either.
I should leave it alone but you're not right
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13-06-2022, 02:27 PM
#153
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Probably not. I know the club was trying, to get players but with no currency it is difficult.
Makes losing Young sting just that bit more.
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13-06-2022, 02:28 PM
#154
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Originally Posted by
Scraggers
It is such a shame that we are now looking for midfield back up when we had a ready-made in our midst.
Say what?
Take out Baz and we're still playing Dunks and Treloar as high forwards, and Rhylee West who is a contested animal hasn't had a single CBA that I can recall
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13-06-2022, 02:30 PM
#155
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
Makes losing Young sting just that bit more.
Isn't Young more a intercept player?
We need a good one on one player who can go up against the Lynches, Kings etc of the world.
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13-06-2022, 02:36 PM
#156
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Originally Posted by
soupman
I've been pleased with West's efforts these last few weeks after basically writing him off but I still think he is undersized for a pure mid role and regardless is gonna have to work pretty hard just to be a regular player.
We seem to love a tougher nut HF or two and right now I'd say West is leading the pack.
I don't buy the size argument - he's bigger than Neale/Gresham the the same size as Rowell, Josh Ward, and the Crouch brothers. If you're big enough, you're good enough.
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13-06-2022, 02:40 PM
#157
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Isn't Young more a intercept player?
We need a good one on one player who can go up against the Lynches, Kings etc of the world.
We said the same when Keath arrived at the club and he is our primary lock down player on the opposition key forwards.
Young is playing more 1 v 1 with Carlton. It's good to be able to do both.
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13-06-2022, 02:43 PM
#158
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
We said the same when Keath arrived at the club and he is our primary lock down player on the opposition key forwards.
Young is playing more 1 v 1 with Carlton. It's good to be able to do both.
Keath plays that role out of necessity and is only average at doing it.
We need a 200cm lockdown fullback.
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13-06-2022, 03:54 PM
#159
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Keath plays that role out of necessity and is only average at doing it.
We need a 200cm lockdown fullback.
I'm not as hung up on the height aspect. A good player can cover for a perceived lack of height.
Freo have a good back line because of the structure and aside of Pearce it's still big enough to cover the opposition.
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13-06-2022, 04:09 PM
#160
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Steve May, comfortably the best key defender in the AFL, is what 190cm? Maybe less?
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13-06-2022, 04:30 PM
#161
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
Steve May, comfortably the best key defender in the AFL, is what 190cm? Maybe less?
I will say some are extra good in the role, but put these guys up against the monster forwards and it is a different story.
I am not saying they have to be exactly 200cm, but the taller than better.
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13-06-2022, 04:43 PM
#162
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Probably not. I know the club was trying, to get players but with no currency it is difficult.
They really mustn't of tried too hard. Numerous backup rucks were on the market in the off-season, we didn't seem to make a play at any of them and then let a back up KPD go for almost nothing. Getting points for Darcy hamstrung us a lot and we would have need to be creative, if we were serious and IMO we weren't, we would have got a backup ruckman.
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13-06-2022, 04:46 PM
#163
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
Steve May, comfortably the best key defender in the AFL, is what 190cm? Maybe less?
He's listed on the Melbourne FC at 193cm. He's tall enough because he is good enough. I've also seen him listed at 190cm.
I don't think getting a 200cm defender who is just average is the answer. Happy to consider players substantially shorter than that if they're effective.
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13-06-2022, 07:32 PM
#164
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
He's listed on the Melbourne FC at 193cm. He's tall enough because he is good enough. I've also seen him listed at 190cm.
I don't think getting a 200cm defender who is just average is the answer. Happy to consider players substantially shorter than that if they're effective.
Who wants a 200cm average defender?
We have to get a quality defender.
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13-06-2022, 07:40 PM
#165
Re: Early Trade Rumours for 2022
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
Steve May, comfortably the best key defender in the AFL, is what 190cm? Maybe less?
According to the Melbourne web site he's 193cm, and looks every bit of it on TV.
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.