Always Right Match Committee Round 19 V Melbourne At Marvel On Saturday Night

[azabob]

So different standards for Tim v Sweet

Not sure of your point?

I am purely judging English on his past performances and what his strengths are - disposals around the ground.

88% game time against the saints and only 8 touches is underwhelming.

I've edited this posted as English had 8 touches V the saints and 13 against the swans.

[Grantysghost]

Not sure of your point?

I am purely judging English on his past performances and what his strengths are - disposals around the ground.

88% game time against the saints and only 13 touches is underwhelming.

The Saints game plan might have had some effect. They played low and slow particularly out of defence.

Really poorly mind you the amount of times they turned it over with poor decisions or disposal was laughable.

Point is they weren't going high and long which would have been to Tim's advantage.

[Bulldog4life]

Not sure of your point?

I am purely judging English on his past performances and what his strengths are - disposals around the ground.

88% game time against the saints and only 13 touches is underwhelming.

If Sweety did this it would be a god send.

[azabob]

Not sure of your point?

I am purely judging English on his past performances and what his strengths are - disposals around the ground.

88% game time against the saints and only 13 touches is underwhelming.

The Saints game plan might have had some effect. They played low and slow particularly out of defence.

Really poorly mind you the amount of times they turned it over with poor decisions or disposal was laughable.

Point is they weren't going high and long which would have been to Tim's advantage.

If Sweety did this it would be a god send.

Actually English had 88% game time for only EIGHT touches and Sweet played 61% game time for six touches.

[Rocco Jones]

Ah, the old ankle tap! One of the oldest tricks in the book.

Hahaha.

I wasn't meaning we try to hurt Gawn directly but more use his impediment strategically.

[bornadog]

Actually English had 88% game time for only EIGHT touches and Sweet played 61% game time for six touches.

My point is when Sweet has 5 touches like a couple of weeks ago, you accepted that it was not just the touches and it was ok. I was stirring you a bit comparing him to Englishes low disposals.

Other than the past two weeks, English has been getting around 20 per game. I still maintain Sweet doesn't do enough around the ground, whether VFL or AFL. He has away to go and has only played 11 AFL games.

I think it is hard for the MC to work out who stays in and who is out amongst the talls up forward.

[jeemak]

My point is when Sweet has 5 touches like a couple of weeks ago, you accepted that it was not just the touches and it was ok. I was stirring you a bit comparing him to Englishes low disposals.

Other than the past two weeks, English has been getting around 20 per game. I still maintain Sweet doesn't do enough around the ground, whether VFL or AFL. He has away to go and has only played 11 AFL games.

I think it is hard for the MC to work out who stays in and who is out amongst the talls up forward.

Tim has to get both hit outs and touches to be of value while Sweet only needs to compete at ruck contests to be of value.

Don't overcomplicate it.

[bornadog]

Tim has to get both hit outs and touches to be of value while Sweet only needs to compete at ruck contests to be of value.

Don't overcomplicate it.

No worries Jee.

How may ruck contests in a game? 5% of game time? maybe 10%?

[MrMahatma]

Is it the disposals or the lower game time that's the issue? I mean, it hurts rotations. That said, does winning more clearances provide more rest for the team cause they aren't chasing so much? Maybe it's not about the stats, and more about the strategy? Two rucks to give us best chance to win clearances and protect defenders, as opposed to who wins the most hit outs.

I do think a decision like this can be over complicated. I'd go with the 2 rucks cause I think without it, no matter how well English does, the 2nd ruck will get torched and so there's about 7 mins per quarter that our mids are chasing harder and our defenders are more likely under the pump.

[bornadog]

Is it the disposals or the lower game time that's the issue? I mean, it hurts rotations. That said, does winning more clearances provide more rest for the team cause they aren't chasing so much? Maybe it's not about the stats, and more about the strategy? Two rucks to give us best chance to win clearances and protect defenders, as opposed to who wins the most hit outs.

I do think a decision like this can be over complicated. I'd go with the 2 rucks cause I think without it, no matter how well English does, the 2nd ruck will get torched and so there's about 7 mins per quarter that our mids are chasing harder and our defenders are more likely under the pump.

We are the number one clearance team, and while this is so, Rucks are not our number one issue.

However, the ruck needs a chop out as you said, for say 5 to 7 minutes a quarter, BUT, for the rest of the time, the second ruck has to be productive.

[MrMahatma]

We are the number one clearance team, and while this is so, Rucks are not our number one issue.

However, the ruck needs a chop out as you said, for say 5 to 7 minutes a quarter, BUT, for the rest of the time, the second ruck has to be productive.

Is it better to be non-competitive in the ruck and sneak forward and jag a goal, or be competitive in the ruck and help the team score an extra goal?

I reckon you either decide you do 2 rucks or you don’t. Weighing up players makes it messy cause there’s no player that is decent 2nd ruck and good elsewhere. They’re either poor second ruck and good/ok elsewhere (Schache) or decent 2nd ruck and poor elsewhere (Sweet).

Surely just cause we win lots of clearances doesn’t mean we can’t try and win more? We leak goals also, and no doubt part of that is from lost clearances. Certainly centre bounces.

[jeemak]

Is there a stat for scores from clearances that's readily available?

[bornadog]

Is there a stat for scores from clearances that's readily available?

Probably but not sure where to get it. We are ranked 1 in centre clearances

[azabob]

Probably but not sure where to get it. We are ranked 1 in centre clearances

Here are the top five clubs for clearances

1. Dogs
2. Crows
3. Lions
4. Suns
5. Power

Geelong are 7th and Melbourne are 10th

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...&sby=29&advv=Y

Don't really know what looking at clearances in isolation show other than the best two teams in it sit 7th and 10th.

[comrade]

Here are the top five clubs for clearances

1. Dogs
2. Crows
3. Lions
4. Suns
5. Power

Geelong are 7th and Melbourne are 10th

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...&sby=29&advv=Y

Don't really know what looking at clearances in isolation show other than the best two teams in it sit 7th and 10th.

It shows clearances mean very little and why our ranking has no reflection on the effectiveness of our ruck set up. I’d like to see the stat for goals generated via D50 turn over after losing the clearance. Geelong and Melbourne back their system to generate scores after forcing turnovers so losing a messy, high bomb clearance isn’t a problem for them, it’s actually a feature not a bug. They want dirty clearances inside their D50 so the likes of Lever, May, Stewart, De Konig etc can mop it up and sling shot them the other way. I wouldn’t be surprised if Geelong and Melbourne are both very high in this stat.