Three things you've learned. Round twenty one 2022 v Fremantle

[DOG GOD]

I like McLean as well, but realistically outside of an unaccountable 2017 in there and a brief solid run in 2020 he has never been able to perform in a role as a midfielder that well, and is coming back off two knee recos, he's a long way from bankable.

Besides I think I'm hoping someone like Shiels adds more steel to our midfield accountability through his experience and influence he can have on others, something McLean doesn't have.

Totally, and I hope we make some tough calls regarding our midfield crop. We certainly need a player with strong nerve, leadership qualities and the experience to play a role we so desperately need.

[Bullies]

Surely the time for direct conversations with our star midfielders would’ve been over the pre season after they got pantsed in the GF 3rd quarter. Bit hard I guess if you believe the rumours said game was not reviewed, just moved on from.

It wasn't a rumour the game was not reviewed the players said it wasn't. Dunks and Macrae have said so in a number of interviews.

Not making the finals will hopefully mean there will be a full review and a number of changes made.

[The bulldog tragician]

It wasn't a rumour the game was not reviewed the players said it wasn't. Dunks and Macrae have said so in a number of interviews.

Not making the finals will hopefully mean there will be a full review and a number of changes made.

In the Danny-Boyd podcast Tom mentioned that our 2015 finals loss was reviewed ad nauseum and specific adjustments were made, so I’m at a loss as to why we didn’t this time.

[azabob]

It wasn't a rumour the game was not reviewed the players said it wasn't. Dunks and Macrae have said so in a number of interviews.

Not making the finals will hopefully mean there will be a full review and a number of changes made.

I’d also heard those players say that and said as much and certain posters responded with something along the lines I’m sure the coaches did and worked on those areas during the pre season.

[bornadog]

I’d also heard those players say that and said as much and certain posters responded with something along the lines I’m sure the coaches did and worked on those areas during the pre season.

Tell me do you honestly think the coaches wouldn't do a review and come up with some strategies?

[GVGjr]

Tell me do you honestly think the coaches wouldn't do a review and come up with some strategies?

I think they would and the strategy behind not including the players might be to shield them for doubting their ability and decision making under pressure.
The question now is has that strategy of distancing the players and the strategies devised by the coaches from the GF experience actually worked?

[bornadog]

I think they would and the strategy behind not including the players might be to shield them for doubting their ability and decision making under pressure.
The question now is has that strategy of distancing the players and the strategies devised by the coaches from the GF experience actually worked?

I think you are spot on.

I have been thinking about our issues, and we know defence is really an issue, but the other big one is turnovers. Last week and this week, the turnovers killed us. Some of the shocking kicking coming out of defence resulted in multiple goals. Just the disposal efficiency all over shows how bad we are travelling when trying to move the ball forward.

[macca]

Totally, and I hope we make some tough calls regarding our midfield crop. We certainly need a player with strong nerve, leadership qualities and the experience to play a role we so desperately need.

If we finish 9-11 th position ( kinda ironic ) then we need to cut the list hard and start building the list with quality. We cannot hang on to list cloggers and players with deficiencies. Cannot end up like Richmond for a decade where they continued to threaten to finish 9th. We need to find player with good disposable ( like hawks do ) .

McComb: yes he can find the ball, but he can't kick.
McClean : love his speed and run, but he does not have the size or strength to match it against the opposition mids, Maybe as a tagger ?
Butler: why is he on the list ?
Roarke: we are not playing him this year.

I have no idea what we are going to do with Schache. Has all the attributes to become a decent AFL player, but just can't swallow angry pills.

Examples above these are just to name a few. Not single them out, as I love to have ALL and ANY of our players to become AFL grade, but realistically most won't make it.

[DOG GOD]

If we finish 9-11 th position ( kinda ironic ) then we need to cut the list hard and start building the list with quality. We cannot hang on to list cloggers and players with deficiencies. Cannot end up like Richmond for a decade where they continued to threaten to finish 9th. We need to find player with good disposable ( like hawks do ) .

McComb: yes he can find the ball, but he can't kick.
McClean : love his speed and run, but he does not have the size or strength to match it against the opposition mids, Maybe as a tagger ?
Butler: why is he on the list ?
Roarke: we are not playing him this year.

I have no idea what we are going to do with Schache. Has all the attributes to become a decent AFL player, but just can't swallow angry pills.

Examples above these are just to name a few. Not single them out, as I love to have ALL and ANY of our players to become AFL grade, but realistically most won't make it.

Agree Macca. I hope if we go to the draft, any mid types we go for are as natural footballers as they come….hard bodied, elite kicking, tackling machines. I don’t want to see any players that are bonafide list cloggers, with very suspect disposal.

[EasternWest]

Agree Macca. I hope if we go to the draft, any mid types we go for are as natural footballers as they come….hard bodied, elite kicking, tackling machines. I don’t want to see any players that are bonafide list cloggers, with very suspect disposal.

Yep. I'd hate to pick an athletic but raw kid at something like pick 43. That would never work out.

[Grantysghost]

Yep. I'd hate to pick an athletic but raw kid at something like pick 43. That would never work out.

Mark West was athletic?

[Dry Rot]

Re the discussion re Shiels. Can we find a tough nut small to mid sized defender nearing the end of their career and give them a couple of years?

[Sedat]

I think they would have and adjustments were made - our centre clearance work is the best in the AFL. What we are finding now is our defence is a major issue with a number of players not in form this year and the system is broken. I don't like having to rely on the mids to help the defence as it is very taxing on them.

Also known as all team defence. Some other clubs are pretty good at this, most of whom are in the top half of the ladder.

[bornadog]

Also known as all team defence. Some other clubs are pretty good at this, most of whom are in the top half of the ladder.

Have a look at their defenders and compare to ours

[soupman]

Re the discussion re Shiels. Can we find a tough nut small to mid sized defender nearing the end of their career and give them a couple of years?

Nic Haynes? He's 30, was pretty good, has lovely long locks and his eyes get watery when he looks at Bont.

Otherwise maybe Lachie Plowman, but I've never really rated him.