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Re: Club to Conduct Review
Originally Posted by
josie
Having an external review means it’s independent and I’d expect the auditors/reviewers would be chosen only if have a good knowledge for what is best practice or recommend or call upon relevant technical experts eg fitness/conditioning. I think Bevo etc. should be ok with this, and I’m hoping it is external. If I recall correctly Bevo was a tax or compliance auditor of some sort (or similar) and a senior one at that. I reckon he’d be aok with it.
External - I don’t think it has been confirmed
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Re: Club to Conduct Review
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
Like Spangher felt like a jobs for mates style appointment but really what else was out there?
I was available but I missed the call.
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Re: Club to Conduct Review
Our high performance team must be part of this review. Management and duration of soft tissue injuries has long been a bugbear of my
mine.
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Re: Club to Conduct Review
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
It would never happen but Jason Dunstall has the credibility from my perspective. What is Graham Lowe doing now?
I initially thought of Lowe but he is known to the club and was Beveridge right hand man. Upon thinking further he certainly would have the trust of Beveridge to undertake a review. It seems he is still a consultant of sorts.
Dunstall would also be a good option.
More of an In Bruges guy?
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Re: Club to Conduct Review
Originally Posted by
bornadog
External - I don’t think it has been confirmed
Yep, agree. My apologies for confusion - my post was in response to why should the review be external. I think it should be.
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Re: Club to Conduct Review
Originally Posted by
azabob
Jee surely we need to also review the strategy and tactics? The players either don't believe in the game plan or don't understand it.
The same issues week after week were on show for all to see.
For mine it would be borderline irrational not to strip the game plan / strategy / tactics back and then build it back up.
If we don't chances 2023 will be worse.
Who do you get to review strategy and game plan, or match day tactics? Is this person going to be a credible person versus our current coaching group? If the strategy, game plan and match day tactics are found to be in need of major overhaul do you then get a second opinion? What if the second opinion doesn't agree with either our coaching team or the reviewer, do we then audit those findings?
All this while you're putting the noses of the coaching team out of joint and overstepping the remit of the committee/ club management anyway?
If you were to include these areas it would either need to be extremely light of touch or all in because you'd need to be committed and prepared to take on the consequences of the coaching group telling you to get *!*!*!*!ed if they didn't agree with the outcome. And then you're out of luck because you need new coaches.
I would understand ensuring there was adequate governance and integrity in the selection process being in the review, but not much more than that as you start to get into really dangerous territory.
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Re: Club to Conduct Review
Originally Posted by
jeemak
Who do you get to review strategy and game plan, or match day tactics? Is this person going to be a credible person versus our current coaching group? If the strategy, game plan and match day tactics are found to be in need of major overhaul do you then get a second opinion? What if the second opinion doesn't agree with either our coaching team or the reviewer, do we then audit those findings?
All this while you're putting the noses of the coaching team out of joint and overstepping the remit of the committee/ club management anyway?
If you were to include these areas it would either need to be extremely light of touch or all in because you'd need to be committed and prepared to take on the consequences of the coaching group telling you to get *!*!*!*!ed if they didn't agree with the outcome. And then you're out of luck because you need new coaches.
I would understand ensuring there was adequate governance and integrity in the selection process being in the review, but not much more than that as you start to get into really dangerous territory.
100% this review is not about pulling Bevo's pants down to bare all.
We need to take a holistic review of Bevo and not be seen to be scrutinising or questioning his ability to coach. The line of inquiry should be what does Bevo do well and where does Bevo need support?
We don't question tactics if we feel Bevo needs support tactically we look at bringing in a specialist assistant
or moving one out and bringing one in for 2023.
This review is an opportunity to assess and identify areas of risk moving forward it's not a review to determine whether Bevo is the right person for the job. We've thrown our lot in with him and he's invested. He looks tired though and it remains to be seen what he can conjure up in 2023.
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Re: Club to Conduct Review
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
100% this review is not about pulling Bevo's pants down to bare all.
Not game plan, would be about chain of command issues if any, communication, work load on Bevo, relationships across the org including coaches to players, support staff, fitness.
You don't tell Bevo how to direct the movie you just make sure we have the right producers, actors, crew and culture to make the film.
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Re: Club to Conduct Review
Originally Posted by
jeemak
Who do you get to review strategy and game plan, or match day tactics? Is this person going to be a credible person versus our current coaching group? If the strategy, game plan and match day tactics are found to be in need of major overhaul do you then get a second opinion? What if the second opinion doesn't agree with either our coaching team or the reviewer, do we then audit those findings?
All this while you're putting the noses of the coaching team out of joint and overstepping the remit of the committee/ club management anyway?
If you were to include these areas it would either need to be extremely light of touch or all in because you'd need to be committed and prepared to take on the consequences of the coaching group telling you to get *!*!*!*!ed if they didn't agree with the outcome. And then you're out of luck because you need new coaches.
I would understand ensuring there was adequate governance and integrity in the selection process being in the review, but not much more than that as you start to get into really dangerous territory.
A review doesn't have to be necessarily an in depth critique. If we go down that route we may as well thank the current coaching group for their contribution and part ways. It could be as simple as questioning the coaching team what areas of the game plan are working and looking to them to assess where/how it can be improved and assessing the quality of the response rath than the response itself.
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Re: Club to Conduct Review
Originally Posted by
FrediKanoute
A review doesn't have to be necessarily an in depth critique. If we go down that route we may as well thank the current coaching group for their contribution and part ways. It could be as simple as questioning the coaching team what areas of the game plan are working and looking to them to assess where/how it can be improved and assessing the quality of the response rath than the response itself.
I'm fine with this and would expect it is absolutely something that would be done throughout the year anyway with the coach/ football department regularly presenting to the board throughout the year.
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
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Re: Club to Conduct Review
This shouldn't be seen as a head hunting exercise and it should be conducted more with a view what can we be doing better more than what did we do that was wrong.
As a starting point lets have a look at:
Coaching and player management
How best do we allocate the additional 500K in soft cap spend?
Are we scouting opposition teams, is that giving us an advantage on game days?
Game plans
Selection processes
Sport Science
How did or medical and strength and conditioning teams perform?
What could we be doing better?
Footscray
What role does our VFL team play in developing and preparing players to become senior footballers?
I don't think there need to be any changes to personnel but just determining if we are at the cutting edge of a footy industry that moves quickly and what do we need to do as a club to get there.
Bevo might be stubborn on a few things but lets not underestimate that he wants us to win. He will listen to those who are well researched.
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Re: Club to Conduct Review
Originally Posted by
jeemak
Who do you get to review strategy and game plan, or match day tactics? Is this person going to be a credible person versus our current coaching group? If the strategy, game plan and match day tactics are found to be in need of major overhaul do you then get a second opinion? What if the second opinion doesn't agree with either our coaching team or the reviewer, do we then audit those findings?
All this while you're putting the noses of the coaching team out of joint and overstepping the remit of the committee/ club management anyway?
If you were to include these areas it would either need to be extremely light of touch or all in because you'd need to be committed and prepared to take on the consequences of the coaching group telling you to get *!*!*!*!ed if they didn't agree with the outcome. And then you're out of luck because you need new coaches.
I would understand ensuring there was adequate governance and integrity in the selection process being in the review, but not much more than that as you start to get into really dangerous territory.
I didn't suggest an external party review the game plan / strategy.
You mentioned in your first post that there wouldn't be time to review in game strategy and tactical reviews which I disagree with.
Luke Beveridge and the wider football department would undertake the strategy and game plan.
I'm not stupid enough to think we bring in a third party to pick apart Luke Beveridge's game plan as that approach would certainly end badly.
More of an In Bruges guy?
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Re: Club to Conduct Review
It’ll be a review of process and people. Can’t be a review of game plan etc.
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Re: Club to Conduct Review
Originally Posted by
azabob
Hold the phone.
I'd like to hope Cleary's source is better than Luke Beveridge press conference.
Other than a grab from channel 7 has anyone heard or read elsewhere a review is actually happening or is it pure speculation?
More of an In Bruges guy?
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Re: Club to Conduct Review
Originally Posted by
azabob
I'm not stupid enough to think we bring in a third party to pick apart Luke Beveridge's game plan as that approach would certainly end badly.
We have most of the players and personnel at the club we need - but its absolutely worth having a process of review when you fall short of what you want to achieve - to think about all of the issues GVGjr raises
Agreed - part of the reason for doing a review is to help the key personnel within the footy club learn and evolve. To get them all on the same page and feel buy in to whatever changes are being implemented.
If they feel they are being reviewed as part of a witch hunt, that will be far less constructive. There may be a need for some robust feedback, but thats not uncommon within footy clubs, and Im sure they can deal with it.