Hawthorn racism review

[EasternWest]

Frankly I'm shocked this kind of culture could've ensued under the watch of a President who merrily boasted of his extensive collection of Golliwog dolls.

Good point Rocket for once I hadn't thought to myself "how can I blame Kennett"

[whythelongface]

I bet they are not the only players to have the timing of a birth date questioned. I am not entirely sure it's actually a solely racist issue.

Don't shoot the messenger, but it is a professional (if somewhat uncaring) sport. Unlike international cricketers, football has an off season, and I can understand a coach being annoyed/frustrated when pending childbirth dates occur during finals, or even the home and away season. Is it reasonable for a club to expect a fully professional player to try to time conception so that the late pregnancy/birth for out of season?

I have no real knowledge of this specific case, just wondering generally. It's not like we don't understand how long the human gestation period is, give or take.

Sorry but this is race related. Even as of last week a non-indigenous player missed a finals game due to an impending birth. Was that player asked to terminate a pregnancy so that it didn’t interrupt the team’s season? No. One of the coaches in question is the Head Coach.

[bulldogtragic]

Chris Fagan taking a leave of absence from Brisbane.

[GVGjr]

Chris Fagan taking a leave of absence from Brisbane.

Needed to. This could just be the start.

[Topdog]

I bet they are not the only players to have the timing of a birth date questioned. I am not entirely sure it's actually a solely racist issue.

Don't shoot the messenger, but it is a professional (if somewhat uncaring) sport. Unlike international cricketers, football has an off season, and I can understand a coach being annoyed/frustrated when pending childbirth dates occur during finals, or even the home and away season. Is it reasonable for a club to expect a fully professional player to try to time conception so that the late pregnancy/birth for out of season?

I have no real knowledge of this specific case, just wondering generally. It's not like we don't understand how long the human gestation period is, give or take.

It really feels like you didnt read the story at all

[Grantysghost]

Chris Fagan taking a leave of absence from Brisbane.

Wow, the Lions couldn't even be strong enough to stand him down they had to spin it with leave of absence to protect his image.

[Daughter of the West]

I felt physically ill reading this. I can't see how Clarkson, Fagan and other involved in this can keep their current jobs.

If this was the Western Bulldogs I would immediately cancel my membership and all ties to the club. My Hawthorn mate already has decided to.

I have exactly the same view. I applaud your Hawthorn mate.

These sort of allegations make me question my emotional investment in professional sport. If that is how human beings are being treated in the pursuit of fleeting success, how the hell could a reasonable person support it?!?

[EasternWest]

I bet they are not the only players to have the timing of a birth date questioned. I am not entirely sure it's actually a solely racist issue.

Don't shoot the messenger, but it is a professional (if somewhat uncaring) sport. Unlike international cricketers, football has an off season, and I can understand a coach being annoyed/frustrated when pending childbirth dates occur during finals, or even the home and away season. Is it reasonable for a club to expect a fully professional player to try to time conception so that the late pregnancy/birth for out of season?

I have no real knowledge of this specific case, just wondering generally. It's not like we don't understand how long the human gestation period is, give or take.

Deleted I'm not even bothering.

[bulldogtragic]

I read it all again before trying to gather my thoughts about it.

If this is true, and so far no one is denying it, then the response needs to be extreme. Life bans across all levels, financial sanctions, draft sanctions, pressure on sponsors to rip up contracts, and public funding withdrawn, legal/class action for personal injury, and every other possible punitive sanction that reflects the sickening and abhorrent reactions and decent human being feels having read this.

I hope Hawthorn & Lions players walk out and potentially coming to us in a Dunkley trade. Though Dunkley should re-assess moving to a club without a head coach. Fagan won’t survive this. But this is way bigger than footy.

[MrMahatma]

I bet they are not the only players to have the timing of a birth date questioned. I am not entirely sure it's actually a solely racist issue.

Don't shoot the messenger, but it is a professional (if somewhat uncaring) sport. Unlike international cricketers, football has an off season, and I can understand a coach being annoyed/frustrated when pending childbirth dates occur during finals, or even the home and away season. Is it reasonable for a club to expect a fully professional player to try to time conception so that the late pregnancy/birth for out of season?

I have no real knowledge of this specific case, just wondering generally. It's not like we don't understand how long the human gestation period is, give or take.

That's a pretty bizarre take. You know footy is their job, right? Would you be OK with your employer putting that kind of restriction on you?

[Topdog]

That's a pretty bizarre take. You know footy is their job, right? Would you be OK with your employer putting that kind of restriction on you?

It also has nothing to do with the story from the details that have been released so far.

[SonofScray]

I bet they are not the only players to have the timing of a birth date questioned. I am not entirely sure it's actually a solely racist issue.

Don't shoot the messenger, but it is a professional (if somewhat uncaring) sport. Unlike international cricketers, football has an off season, and I can understand a coach being annoyed/frustrated when pending childbirth dates occur during finals, or even the home and away season. Is it reasonable for a club to expect a fully professional player to try to time conception so that the late pregnancy/birth for out of season?

I have no real knowledge of this specific case, just wondering generally. It's not like we don't understand how long the human gestation period is, give or take.

A few layers to it.

I’m not sure it is reasonable at all for a workplace to limit or restrict the timing of any efforts to conceive a child. I suspect in women’s professional sport there’s much more knowledgeable folk and consideration in how to negotiate these things. I’d see any discussion of that nature with my employer as a gross over stepping of boundaries.

The article clearly locates challenging behaviours and attitudes by people in power framed around the racial identity of specific players. I don’t think you can zoom out so much to view it as just the topic above. Not in an environment where the organisation seeks to lead in creating safe and inclusive space for indigenous folk, and also improve their brand and commercial position by being seen to do it.

This news is very significant and comes with it a significant level of disrepute for the industry, let alone Hawthorn and the individuals alleged to have behaved so disgracefully.

[bulldogtragic]

I read it all again before trying to gather my thoughts about it.

If this is true, and so far no one is denying it, then the response needs to be extreme. Life bans across all levels, financial sanctions, draft sanctions, pressure on sponsors to rip up contracts, and public funding withdrawn, legal/class action for personal injury, and every other possible punitive sanction that reflects the sickening and abhorrent reactions and decent human being feels having read this.

I hope Hawthorn & Lions players walk out and potentially coming to us in a Dunkley trade. Though Dunkley should re-assess moving to a club without a head coach. Fagan won’t survive this. But this is way bigger than footy.

Walker got 6 weeks and $20,000 and stained forever for a two word slur, that I won’t repeat. How is this isn’t going to be apocalyptic?

[bornadog]

Frankly I'm shocked this kind of culture could've ensued under the watch of a President who merrily boasted of his extensive collection of Golliwog dolls.

Early this year:

Cyril Rioli goes public with racism claims at Hawthorn

[bornadog]

That's a pretty bizarre take. You know footy is their job, right? Would you be OK with your employer putting that kind of restriction on you?

I will give Jeanette54 the benefit of the doubt. She needs to click on the ABC site for the full report and not just read the OP.