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21-03-2024, 04:38 PM
#1951
Re: Sharp Axes
Originally Posted by
Go_Dogs
But what club has those pieces consistently in place? And what smaller club like ours without the benefit of being able to recruit those elite players to top up a list does?
All lists have deficiencies and gaps, either through design, misses, injuries etc. it’s really about making the most of what we’ve got more consistently and finding the right players the right roles. 2016 was cobbled together in many ways but the sum of the parts managed to be greater than anyone dares dream over a four week period. 2021 was very nearly the same.
That's true to an extent, though I think our talent drop off in these areas versus our less vulnerable areas are more pronounced than they have been in the past and versus other teams.
But it would be hypocritical of me to say that's the only thing impacting performance. I'm sure some of it's on Bevo, I'm sure some of it's on the players who take the field every week. Some of it's beyond the control of Bevo and the players. Just some balance in discussion would be less frustrating.
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
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21-03-2024, 04:43 PM
#1952
Re: Sharp Axes
Originally Posted by
jeemak
That's true to an extent, though I think our talent drop off in these areas versus our less vulnerable areas are more pronounced than they have been in the past and versus other teams.
Our list is in transition and we?re reactive to some trends with our scatter gun approach to address areas of weakness. It seems we?re trying to target players with a different athletic profile the last few years which should hold us in reasonable stead if we get the talent identification and development right and these players become members of the side.
I guess my point still stands that most teams are very similar - they?re just perhaps better at papering the cracks than we are and finding a way. Maybe that?s system, or culture, or talent identification or development in some ways too.
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21-03-2024, 05:13 PM
#1953
Re: Sharp Axes
Originally Posted by
Go_Dogs
Our list is in transition and we?re reactive to some trends with our scatter gun approach to address areas of weakness. It seems we?re trying to target players with a different athletic profile the last few years which should hold us in reasonable stead if we get the talent identification and development right and these players become members of the side.
I guess my point still stands that most teams are very similar - they?re just perhaps better at papering the cracks than we are and finding a way. Maybe that?s system, or culture, or talent identification or development in some ways too.
Can you be a bit more specific with which players you're referring to in that? I think we've resisted transition and continued to add mature-aged guys with the idea that our window is now and we just need to tweak things around the edges.
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21-03-2024, 05:15 PM
#1954
Re: Sharp Axes
W-L % for regular season games has dipped below Eade and Wheeler.
The untouchable element of the case for Bevo staying is out the window now, and should never have been a serious part of the discussion. The pressure that is mountain can?t be hand waved away.
Start winning and playing compelling, coherent, competitive football and it goes away.
Make a change and it goes away.
Bumpy ride up ahead, I think we can settle into some good footy and get plenty from the season. Hopefully as is, and will still feel that way if not.
Time and Tide Waits For No Man
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21-03-2024, 05:34 PM
#1955
Re: Sharp Axes
Originally Posted by
lemmon
Can you be a bit more specific with which players you're referring to in that? I think we've resisted transition and continued to add mature-aged guys with the idea that our window is now and we just need to tweak things around the edges.
More than half the team has played 60 games or less. The next highest is B Smith with 103. I would say these guys are in transition. 8 players are 30 plus this year
3 |
Weightman, Cody |
60 |
23yr 2mth |
15 Jan 2001 |
179cm |
75kg |
Dandenong Stingrays |
Forward |
28 |
Scott, Anthony |
57 |
29yr |
28 Feb 1995 |
181cm |
79kg |
Footscray |
Midfield
Forward |
17 |
Coffield, Nicholas |
53 |
24yr 4mth |
23 Oct 1999 |
191cm |
90kg |
Northern Knights |
Defender |
43 |
Gardner, Ryan |
53 |
26yr 9mth |
1 Jun 1997 |
197cm |
94kg |
Burnie Dockers |
Defender |
2 |
Ugle-Hagan, Jamarra |
46 |
21yr 11mth |
4 Apr 2002 |
197cm |
91kg |
Oakleigh Chargers |
Forward |
23 |
Vandermeer, Laitham |
45 |
25yr 1mth |
3 Feb 1999 |
182cm |
78kg |
Murray Bushrangers |
Defender |
30 |
McNeil, Lachlan R |
43 |
22yr 6mth |
2 Sep 2001 |
184cm |
79kg |
Woodville-West Torrens |
Forward |
14 |
West, Rhylee |
38 |
23yr 8mth |
12 Jul 2000 |
183cm |
82kg |
Calder Cannons |
Forward |
13 |
Baker, Oskar R |
33 |
25yr 9mth |
25 May 1998 |
184cm |
87kg |
Aspley |
Midfield |
29 |
Bramble, Lachlan R |
31 |
25yr 11mth |
19 Apr 1998 |
182cm |
77kg |
Box Hill |
Defender
Midfield |
25 |
Poulter, Caleb |
21 |
21yr 5mth |
12 Oct 2002 |
194cm |
84kg |
Wwt Eagles |
Midfield |
38 |
Garcia, Riley |
19 |
23yr 1mth |
30 Jan 2001 |
178cm |
75kg |
Swan Districts |
Forward |
32 |
Jones, Arthur |
13 |
20yr 8mth |
18 Jul 2003 |
180cm |
71kg |
Claremont |
Forward |
18 |
O'Donnell, James R |
12 |
21yr 6mth |
31 Aug 2002 |
197cm |
88kg |
Cricket |
Defender |
24 |
Khamis, Buku R |
11 |
23yr 11mth |
24 Mar 2000 |
191cm |
87kg |
Western Jets |
Forward |
10 |
Darcy, Sam |
7 |
20yr 8mth |
19 Jul 2003 |
208cm |
97kg |
Oakleigh Chargers |
Forward |
36 |
Cleary, Luke |
5 |
22yr |
5 Mar 2002 |
191cm |
81kg |
Sandringham Dragons |
Defender |
26 |
Bedendo, Dominic |
2 |
21yr 8mth |
9 Jul 2002 |
191cm |
80kg |
Murray Bushrangers |
Midfield |
12 |
Gallagher, Harvey |
1 |
20yr 5mth |
26 Sep 2003 |
181cm |
78kg |
Bendigo Pioneers |
Forward |
9 |
Sanders, Ryley |
1 |
19yr 1mth |
21 Jan 2005 |
186cm |
86kg |
Sandringham Dragons |
Midfield |
5 |
Busslinger, Jedd |
0 |
20yr |
11 Mar 2004 |
198cm |
85kg |
East Perth |
Defender |
8 |
Clarke, Charlie |
0 |
20yr 2mth |
4 Jan 2004 |
183cm |
81kg |
Sandringham Dragons |
Forward |
16 |
Croft, Jordan |
0 |
18yr 10mth |
12 May 2005 |
201cm |
81kg |
Calder Cannons |
Forward |
27 |
Freijah, Joel |
0 |
18yr 4mth |
14 Nov 2005 |
191cm |
88kg |
Greater Western Victoria Rebels |
Midfield
Forward |
37 |
O'Driscoll, Aiden |
0 |
18yr 7mth |
22 Jul 2005 |
176cm |
70kg |
Perth |
Forward |
40 |
Smith, Lachlan |
0 |
18yr 5mth |
5 Oct 2005 |
203cm |
101kg |
Gippsland Power |
Ruck |
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21-03-2024, 06:27 PM
#1956
Re: Sharp Axes
Originally Posted by
jeemak
I think we're giving the recruiting and list management personnel a bit of a free pass by saying this is solely Bevo's team. Same with Chris Grant and Ameet Baines who play a huge part in rubber stamping list management strategies.
We have no wings, no genuine mid-size or small forwards who are reliable outside of Weightman, and no quality defensive talls capable of consistently intercepting. Major structural deficiencies to cope with the modern game and this is all on Bevo?
It's simpler to point the finger at Bevo instead of the players, it's simpler to point the finger at Bevo instead of the football department structure. But it's the simplicity in how many are looking at our current situation that I find frustrating.
Imagine if the strong message from the club in the face of media scrutiny that focuses overly on the coach was we need to be better across the board. Imagine if the strong message from the likes of Bont, Libba and Treloar was we decide if we want to chase, we decide if we want to follow instructions, and it's up to us to make sure we do that more consistently. We are accountable for what we dish up, no excuses.
Not sure I heard much of that this past week, nor the second half of last year. We're just letting our coach cop it, and maybe that's the plan.
Is it Bevo's team if we win?
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21-03-2024, 07:04 PM
#1957
Re: Sharp Axes
Originally Posted by
lemmon
Can you be a bit more specific with which players you're referring to in that? I think we've resisted transition and continued to add mature-aged guys with the idea that our window is now and we just need to tweak things around the edges.
Couple of points I’m trying to make:
I look at recruitment of players like Poulter, Baker etc as attempts to address a need / weakness on the list. The same can be said for key defensive posts with Keath, Jones (got lucky) and Gardner to an extent, along with JOD.
We’ve also gone for players like Gags, Clarke, Sanders, AOD, JOD, Freijah, who all seem to have elite running traits (either endurance or power) and a level of agility that we haven’t always recruited for.
Just my observation of course. By a list in transition, as more of this second group begin to cement themselves and we continue with the philosophy of drafting players with a certain athletic profile, we’ll be more equipped to deal with some other sides who are more advanced in these areas.
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21-03-2024, 08:15 PM
#1958
Re: Sharp Axes
Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
Is it Bevo's team if we win?
Yeah, for sure. I'm a Bevo acolyte who can only look at things broadly when it suits me.
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
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22-03-2024, 12:43 AM
#1959
Re: Sharp Axes
It's an interesting time to be alive. If the season continues like this I can't see Bevo lasting past round 5. I want him to succeed, because if he does, then we do but I can't see it at the moment, really since the 2021 GF. Since then, there seems a distinct lack of "Giving a shit" by the team. If he does go, his replacement will be interesting. Lade would probably take over, but maybe we'd go after King, or Cameron.
You keep on using that word... I do not
think it means what you think it means.
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22-03-2024, 08:44 AM
#1960
Re: Sharp Axes
I’ll unhappily watch this week but I think I’m done if we dish up the same old boring footy.
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22-03-2024, 09:26 AM
#1961
Re: Sharp Axes
Originally Posted by
my plums
I’ll unhappily watch this week but I think I’m done if we dish up the same old boring footy.
We're Bulldogs fans. We're carved from misery. We always come back.
"It's over. It's all over."
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22-03-2024, 09:47 AM
#1962
Re: Sharp Axes
Originally Posted by
EasternWest
We're Bulldogs fans. We're carved from misery. We always come back.
It is in our DNA. Losing seven Prelims in a row builds all kinds of resistance.
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22-03-2024, 11:52 AM
#1963
Re: Sharp Axes
Originally Posted by
angelopetraglia
It is in our DNA. Losing seven Prelims in a row builds all kinds of resistance.
I hate that this is true!
"It's over. It's all over."
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22-03-2024, 12:29 PM
#1964
Re: Sharp Axes
Originally Posted by
angelopetraglia
It is in our DNA. Losing seven Prelims in a row builds all kinds of resistance.
We’ve fixed that to be fair. Now we lose grand finals and also home and away matches in rounds greater than 18. Prelims were automatic though.
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22-03-2024, 12:50 PM
#1965
Re: Sharp Axes
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
We?ve fixed that to be fair. Now we lose grand finals and also home and away matches in rounds greater than 18. Prelims were automatic though.
Hell yes, the best football we've played in our entire history was in a PF less than 3 years ago. I lived through the 0-7 PF years of 1985-2010 and I much prefer the 2-0 PF years of 2016-2021.
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