Effort

[mjp]

Does that mean we would have won a flag with BMac (genuine question)? Do coaches harvest/bring to the fore something that’s already there?

Well...for me, it goes like this. Coaches coach, players play. But there's (of course) a massive interdependence.

Coach - Brings plans, strategies, leadership around 'all things'.
Players - Bring adherence to the plan, a willingness to 'follow', a sense of 'TEAM'.

- This is all simplistic crap of course.

If the coach doesn't bring a suitable plan (aka a plan not suitable for the players) then the side can't be successful. So I would suggest on that basis alone, we could not have won the flag under B-Mac. Players also need to collectively BUY IN to the plan and hold one another accountable for so doing. The coach(es) are also responsible for putting the players into situations from which they can be successful!

Team dynamics are hard at the best of times and every company out there is battling with them...the difference in a footy environment of course is that the belief of the 'team' in the vision of the leaders (and their adherence to that vision and the behaviours associated with it) is challenged on live tv every week...

[GVGjr]

Here's the key point though. With that tackle - there is NOTHING that the coaches can do about it. If Jack was a repeat offender with this sort of thing, sure - they can leave him out...but that doesn't help on game-day. I'm pretty sure Jack doesn't feel great about that particular contest and will have a point to prove with his tackling this weekend - but is there anything anyone really wanted/expected Bevo to actually DO about it in the moment??

Clubs collect a lot of vision and even our training sessions often have 2 cherry pickers up in the air with a couple of people in each of them recording the session. How much time during the week do you think might be dedicated to reviewing match day or training vision pointing out when players are in the wrong spot or where their effort might not have measured up?
Or would they focus more on the positives throughout the game with some general comments about missed opportunities thrown in?

Regarding leaving a player out and how that impacts game day I still believe if the player is reluctant to make the changes coaches expect them to then this is really the only option to spark the player into a rethink.

I was surprised the other day when one of our assistants were laying out some yellow cones and threw a slightly discolored one back. The reason he gave is that if gave instructions for the players to run outside of the yellow cones it wasn't worth the argument with those who would want to point out that that cone isn't quite yellow. If all true it gives the indication that some are difficult to work with.

[mjp]

Clubs collect a lot of vision and even our training sessions often have 2 cherry pickers up in the air with a couple of people in each of them recording the session. How much time during the week do you think might be dedicated to reviewing match day or training vision pointing out when players are in the wrong spot or where their effort might not have measured up?
Or would they focus more on the positives throughout the game with some general comments about missed opportunities thrown in?

Regarding leaving a player out and how that impacts game day I still believe if the player is reluctant to make the changes coaches expect them to then this is really the only option to spark the player into a rethink.

I was surprised the other day when one of our assistants were laying out some yellow cones and threw a slightly discolored one back. The reason he gave is that if gave instructions for the players to run outside of the yellow cones it wasn't worth the argument with those who would want to point out that that cone isn't quite yellow. If all true it gives the indication that some are difficult to work with.

The coaches will 100% rewatch training after it's done - looking to assess the drills, the players and cut vision to show...you have to provide feedback of some sort and - as you identified with the 'colour of the cones' story, in 2023 players simply aren't going to say "yeah, I remember that passage of play where I received it from Johnno....". They are going to say - "I don't remember getting the ball from Johnno - are you saying I should have given the first option handball to Smithy after that? I don't remember...".

10 years ago everyone remembered. Now no-one remembers. It is just one of the many way people have changed.

With the cones, I used to have a picture on my wall of Freo doing pre-season training and every player had their foot going over a line except for one - former WAFL star (Claremont) Ian Richardson who kicked millions of goals at State level and somehow never got his way onto a list...I used to keep it up there to remind me and everyone who saw it not to take short cuts. As I have gotten older I have realised that maybe he was the only smart one out there and if noone was going to challenge him he should do whatever he wanted....

Or something.

[SonofScray]

I was surprised the other day when one of our assistants were laying out some yellow cones and threw a slightly discolored one back. The reason he gave is that if gave instructions for the players to run outside of the yellow cones it wasn't worth the argument with those who would want to point out that that cone isn't quite yellow. If all true it gives the indication that some are difficult to work with.

That doesn’t sound good at all if that’s the attitude from both parties.

[GVGjr]

That doesn’t sound good at all if that’s the attitude from both parties.

Who knows if it was just a joke but for whatever reason it intrigued me. They have 4 or 5 sets of different colored cones and this one still looked yellow to me but not perfectly yellow like the ones he grabbed. He threw it back much like a fisherman might with an undersized catch. I'd have a low tolerance if a player wanted to nitpick with me over exactly what color it was and would probably see if a week at Footscray would sharpen his vision going forward but I guess it's a young persons world now .

[Grantysghost]

Who knows if it was just a joke but for whatever reason it intrigued me. They have 4 or 5 sets of different colored cones and this one still looked yellow to me but not perfectly yellow like the ones he grabbed. He threw it back much like a fisherman might with an undersized catch. I'd have a low tolerance if a player wanted to nitpick with me over exactly what color it was and would probably see if a week at Footscray would sharpen his vision going forward but I guess it's a young persons world now .

Bailey Smith would’ve noticed that for sure.

[SonofScray]

Perhaps the cone was bleached by the glare from the gaffers new chompers.

[merantau]

Effort is something that has to start early in a person's development. There has to be a desire to be the best you can possibly be and a willingness to put in the effort to reach that goal.

We share our house with a former Karen refugee couple and their two Aussie born sons. The older boy is 4 1/2 years. He's been developing his skills for two years and he loves it. For the last 3 weeks we've taken him down to the local oval for a kick. All he wants to do is join in training with the U/12s but we won't let him because, although he's big for his age, he's still small compared to 10 and 11 year old.

Anyway, last night one of the Dad's was having a kick after training with his son and 4 or 5 other kids so we asked him if the little fella could join in. "Yeah, no problem."

Well he was right into it. For 30 minutes he chased every ball, went for every pack mark even though he had no hope against the bigger kids. But when the ball hit the ground he was in and under, lightning quick and he got his share of kicks and took a great slips catch mark.

The point I'm making is that he never gave up, he never stopped running, he never stopped trying. His Dad has instilled that in him from the outset. He loves riding his bike and running. He went on a 12km bike ride when he had just turned 4. He has incredible stamina for a kid and eats man sized meals.

His Dad had a very tough childhood and fled Burma when he was just 15 to avoid being dragooned into the Burmese Army. He knows that if you want to get something out of life you have to work hard and he is making sure his son takes this life lesson on board.

Oh, need I mention the family are rusted on Bulldogs supporters!

[macca]

I was going to do a time breakdown of the great tackles, 1% and repeat efforts in the 2016 grand final run, but I couldn't be bothered in putting the effort....

...........I was only kidding .

I have too much passion for this team to give up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaUzjl7R738

@3.36 great tackle
@3.50 dickson tackle and second effort
@4.41 hard running from backline by Clay smith
@5.05 team putting in effort to put forward pressure, dickson again with amazing agility to keep in touch with the ball
@6.20 team effort goal to keep possession on the wing

@10.05 1st goal of GF , Cody great tackle

@11.50 Smother by Moz on Kennedy, then repeat effort. Kennedy was on fire up until that moment.
@12.45 Key Moz smother on Franklin, and then second effort tackle on Franklin when ball spills free, Doggies scope and Boyd kicks the winning goal that broke the swans. MCClean Riding on the back of Boyd

[bornadog]

Effort is something that has to start early in a person's development. There has to be a desire to be the best you can possibly be and a willingness to put in the effort to reach that goal.

We share our house with a former Karen refugee couple and their two Aussie born sons. The older boy is 4 1/2 years. He's been developing his skills for two years and he loves it. For the last 3 weeks we've taken him down to the local oval for a kick. All he wants to do is join in training with the U/12s but we won't let him because, although he's big for his age, he's still small compared to 10 and 11 year old.

Anyway, last night one of the Dad's was having a kick after training with his son and 4 or 5 other kids so we asked him if the little fella could join in. "Yeah, no problem."

Well he was right into it. For 30 minutes he chased every ball, went for every pack mark even though he had no hope against the bigger kids. But when the ball hit the ground he was in and under, lightning quick and he got his share of kicks and took a great slips catch mark.

The point I'm making is that he never gave up, he never stopped running, he never stopped trying. His Dad has instilled that in him from the outset. He loves riding his bike and running. He went on a 12km bike ride when he had just turned 4. He has incredible stamina for a kid and eats man sized meals.

His Dad had a very tough childhood and fled Burma when he was just 15 to avoid being dragooned into the Burmese Army. He knows that if you want to get something out of life you have to work hard and he is making sure his son takes this life lesson on board.

Oh, need I mention the family are rusted on Bulldogs supporters!

Great story

[azabob]

No effort tonight.

[Jeanette54]

No effort tonight.

I suspect (with the exception of Bont who tried desperately to lift the team) they will put more effort into fronting up to the pay office to collect and lift their fat pay packets, than they did in last night's game.

If you can't be winners I suggest you should at least appear to be good blokes, and gift your unearned gains to some worthy charity.

[jazzadogs]

An interesting gauge of our effort

Last night
Average speed in attack:
Bulldogs 9.0km/hr
Saints 8.3km/hr

Average speed in defence
Bulldogs 8.0
Saints 9.2

Total sprints
Dogs 229
Saints 288

For comparison, from yesterday (attack/defence)
Pies 6.9/8.3
Port 8.5/7.0

And last week
Port 7.1/7.7
Lions 7.6/6.6

We were lazy, particularly in defensive transition, and got outworked. Average speed in attack of 9.0 shows its not necessarily genuine pace - it's desire and effort.