Luke Beveridge and our challenges

[bornadog]

They have recently done very well with player development. I agree. Probably more talking generally when star players typically nominate the big Victorian clubs when asking for a trade. I actually don't hate Collingwood at the moment.

Playing at the MCG in front of big crowds - you can't blame them.

Some other imports are Taylor Adams, Bobby Hill, Mihocek, Jeremy Howe, Patt Lipinski, Jack Crisp, along with recent add ins

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Playing at the MCG in front of big crowds - you can't blame them.

Some other imports are Taylor Adams, Bobby Hill, Mihocek, Jeremy Howe, Patt Lipinski, Jack Crisp, along with recent add ins

No you can't blame them and that's what I wanted to highlight. As a smaller club, we can't bring in outside talent as frequently as Collingwood and other big clubs. We are much more dependant on the draft path which takes longer and means we are less likely to sustain success as we can't bring in ready made stars to complement our existing ones.

We have had sustained success because our list was quite young when we won the flag. But we're relying on guys drafted recently to do some very heavy lifting. Imagine if we had brought in a Tarranto or Lynch or Cameron etc?

Despite all that I think our list is capable of MUCH more.

[Bulldog Joe]

Playing at the MCG in front of big crowds - you can't blame them.

Some other imports are Taylor Adams, Bobby Hill, Mihocek, Jeremy Howe, Patt Lipinski, Jack Crisp, along with recent add ins

When did rookie drafting someone from Burnie Dockers via Port Melbourne count someone as an import.

[bornadog]

When did rookie drafting someone from Burnie Dockers via Port Melbourne count someone as an import.

Player not drafted as a youngster, but considered mature. The conversation was about developing own players.

[Bulldog Joe]

Player not drafted as a youngster, but considered mature. The conversation was about developing own players.

I think Collingwood can take a lot of credit for Mihocek. He was available to every club when they rookied him.

[GVGjr]

I think Collingwood can take a lot of credit for Mihocek. He was available to every club when they rookied him.

We start off saying that Collingwood have an unfair advantage in attracting players but as you point out Mihocek proves their development is working. I don't think their list is particularly strong but on the 3 games so far it's looks like the coach knows how to use the players he has in a very productive way. Interesting to see how they will handle losing Cameron and Cox for a period of time after trading our Grundy and now wanting a mid season trade period to address their ruck needs.

[Mantis]

Playing at the MCG in front of big crowds - you can't blame them.

Some other imports are Taylor Adams, Bobby Hill, Mihocek, Jeremy Howe, Patt Lipinski, Jack Crisp, along with recent add ins

No real big names in there when drafted/traded... pretty sure Crisp was the steak knives in the Beams deal.

[GVGjr]

No real big names in there when drafted/traded... pretty sure Crisp was the steak knives in the Beams deal.

They haven't been attracting genuine big name players via trades but have found a way of getting them all to be playing some effective football. Look at what they did with Roughead and he got something like 3 more years after he adjusted back into a KPD role.

[jeemak]

No you can't blame them and that's what I wanted to highlight. As a smaller club, we can't bring in outside talent as frequently as Collingwood and other big clubs. We are much more dependant on the draft path which takes longer and means we are less likely to sustain success as we can't bring in ready made stars to complement our existing ones.

We have had sustained success because our list was quite young when we won the flag. But we're relying on guys drafted recently to do some very heavy lifting. Imagine if we had brought in a Tarranto or Lynch or Cameron etc?

Despite all that I think our list is capable of MUCH more.

Much more than making a GF in 2021 and falling forty minutes short of victory? I get last year was terrible, but that's the thing with the AFL, if you're slightly off you're in danger of not getting your season going and missing out - which we did last year.

We don't have the best midfield, we don't have the best forwards, we don't have the best defenders, and we don't have the best depth. Our players select when to give maximum effort, and when not to which you just can't get away with at the top level.

But everyone expects us to compete every year with the very best as if it should be a given that we do.

The truth is a lot has to go right for that to happen. I'm optimistic those things can go right, but I don't expect them to.

[1eyedog]

No you can't blame them and that's what I wanted to highlight. As a smaller club, we can't bring in outside talent as frequently as Collingwood and other big clubs. We are much more dependant on the draft path which takes longer and means we are less likely to sustain success as we can't bring in ready made stars to complement our existing ones.

We have had sustained success because our list was quite young when we won the flag. But we're relying on guys drafted recently to do some very heavy lifting. Imagine if we had brought in a Tarranto or Lynch or Cameron etc?

Despite all that I think our list is capable of MUCH more.

You mean like a Premiership winning ruck / forward or a top 10 mid like Treloar?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Much more than making a GF in 2021 and falling forty minutes short of victory? I get last year was terrible, but that's the thing with the AFL, if you're slightly off you're in danger of not getting your season going and missing out - which we did last year.

We don't have the best midfield, we don't have the best forwards, we don't have the best defenders, and we don't have the best depth. Our players select when to give maximum effort, and when not to which you just can't get away with at the top level.

But everyone expects us to compete every year with the very best as if it should be a given that we do.

The truth is a lot has to go right for that to happen. I'm optimistic those things can go right, but I don't expect them to.

Yeah a lot has to go right. Our curious run with injuries have shown that and a lot had to go right in 2016. It'd just be nice to not have to also worry about whether the players can be stuffed any given week or should I say any given quarter.