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    Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Absolute madness to even think of getting rid of Tim - I can't believe people even think it.
    Grundy at the time was way better than English is now. Madness by Collingwood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JanLorMill View Post
    Grundy at the time was way better than English is now. Madness by Collingwood.
    Yes madness for being in deep shit with salary cap
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    Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    I guess he's worth a second round pick.
    Billings will be cheap I reckon 3rd at best. I think he is better than Baker and Scott if we think his body is right.

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    Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

    Quote Originally Posted by kruder View Post
    Billings will be cheap I reckon 3rd at best. I think he is better than Baker and Scott if we think his body is right.
    A 3rd rounder is about right but we don't have one this year so it would have to be a future one.

    I don't think we need him but clubs will likely ask the question.
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    Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

    Quote Originally Posted by kruder View Post
    Billings will be cheap I reckon 3rd at best. I think he is better than Baker and Scott if we think his body is right.
    The more of Billings salary a team is prepared to pay, the cheaper he will be.
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    Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

    Quote Originally Posted by JanLorMill View Post
    Grundy at the time was way better than English is now. Madness by Collingwood.
    2022 Grundy was way better than 2023 English? Couldn't disagree more.

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    Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

    Quote Originally Posted by EasternWest View Post
    Axe Man
    I'm worth 5 Jack Billings!

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    Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

    Quote Originally Posted by Axe Man View Post
    I'm worth 5 Jack Billings!
    The word jack is certainly in your value.
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    Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Absolute madness to even think of getting rid of Tim - I can't believe people even think it.
    Is English as AA 1st ruck going to help us win a premiership? Jury is out - what is fact is that his AA season couldn't even get us in the top 8 this year (not his fault). That's not to say anything about having him remain on a multi-year contract worth well over $1 million a season.

    It is foolish and irresponsible not to consider the size/length of the salary and the specific role when managing current and future list and cap demands.

    Grundy actually proves the point about the sky not falling in if English and the club decide to part ways for whatever reason - he was the best ruckman in the game (significantly better than English in 2023) but couldn't help his team to win a flag. As soon as he and his enormous salary was replaced (with a Clydesdale ruck on the cheap who competes hard, and an American who has many and varied flaws), they have won 39 out of 52 games en route to a premiership after finishing bottom 4 only 2 years ago.
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    Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

    Quote Originally Posted by macca View Post
    Are there rumours that Essendon are going to rise up from the ashes and actually win a final next year ?

    Is Goldstein going there for potential or for more years ? I don't get it.
    I believe he has been offered a role after this year in a Development role

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    Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

    Quote Originally Posted by Sedat View Post
    Grundy actually proves the point about the sky not falling in if English and the club decide to part ways for whatever reason - he was the best ruckman in the game (significantly better than English in 2023).
    No he wasn't. Tim's numbers stack up to Grundy at the same age, if not better.

    Player Statistics Comparison
    Brodie Grundy Name Timothy English
    Melbourne Demons Team Western Bulldogs
    Ruck Position Ruck
    194 Career Games 108
    Sturt Origin South Fremantle
    April 15, 1994 Date of Birth August 10, 1997
    Turned 26 in 2020 Age 26yr 1mth
    203cm Height 207cm
    104kg Weight 103kg
    2012 National Draft Last Drafted In 2016 National Draft
    Round 1, Pick #18 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #19
    Collingwood Magpies Last Drafted By Western Bulldogs
    2020 Stats for Season 2023
    19 Games 23
    5.5 Kicks 11.2
    8.8 Handballs 7.9
    14.4 Disposals 19.1
    3.0 Marks 6.3
    0.2 Goals 0.7
    0.2 Behinds 0.2
    3.6 Tackles 4.3
    31.4 Hitouts 31.2
    1.9 Inside 50s 3.2
    0.3 Goal Assists 0.3
    2.3 Frees For 1.8
    1.5 Frees Against 1.5
    8.9 Contested Possessions 9.2
    5.8 Uncontested Possessions 11.0
    10.6 Effective Disposals 13.9
    73.6% Disposal Efficiency % 72.8%
    2.5 Clangers 3.6
    1.1 Contested Marks 1.3
    0.3 Marks Inside 50 0.6
    3.2 Clearances 3.3
    0.7 Rebound 50s 1.9
    2.2 One Percenters 4.3
    0.1 Bounces 0.3
    84.5 Time On Ground % 85.9
    0.8 Centre Clearances 1.2
    2.4 Stoppage Clearances 2.1
    3.3 Score Involvements 5.3
    99.8 Metres Gained 255.0
    1.8 Turnovers 3.3
    1.9 Intercepts 4.3
    0.5 Tackles Inside 50 0.4
    87.9 AFL Fantasy Score 118.7
    118.4 Supercoach Score 128.0
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    Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    No he wasn't. Tim's numbers stack up to Grundy at the same age, if not better.
    Don't think anyone disputes that Tim is a great pick for the supercoach team. More the impact he has on games

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    Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

    Quote Originally Posted by hujsh View Post
    Don't think anyone disputes that Tim is a great pick for the supercoach team. More the impact he has on games
    Supercoach? I don't even look at Supercoach
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    Re: Early Trade Rumours 2023

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Supercoach? I don't even look at Supercoach
    I don't think that really matters to the general point being made.

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    "My feeling is the Western Bulldogs are definitely interested in Nick Coffield. St Kilda have an offer to him, only one year at this point. He might be on the move if another team offers him multiple years."

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