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Re: Do something with Naughton.
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
While we get smashed in defence, he spoils his team mates and clogs the forward 50. That was the most dangerous the forward 50 looked tonight. Not something to be dismissed on Naughty alleging kicking 3 a game every game for the rest of the year.
I think he had 2 kicks in defence and one spoil. I don't have the actual stats, just memory.
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Re: Do something with Naughton.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
26 goals and heading for another 50. He stays Forward
Not arguing that he's a very good individual forward. But what I saw today made me think he makes our other good forwards worse by running to the same spots and competing for the same marks. He is not a smart forward and kicks his goals through pure talent - not a bad thing in itself, but is it the best thing for the club?
In the first half, with Naughton forward, we had 36 inside 50s for 5.8.
In the second half, with Naughton back, we had 36 inside 50s for 10.7.
The injuries to our KPD have given us an opportunity to experiment. I don't think he is THAT good that it's not worth trying for a few weeks.
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Re: Do something with Naughton.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
I think he had 2 kicks in defence and one spoil. I don't have the actual stats, just memory.
While the forwardline looked the most dangerous all year. Surely it’s about what’s best for the overall team and the result?
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Re: Do something with Naughton.
Originally Posted by
jazzadogs
Not arguing that he's a very good individual forward. But what I saw today made me think he makes our other good forwards worse by running to the same spots and competing for the same marks. He is not a smart forward and kicks his goals through pure talent - not a bad thing in itself, but is it the best thing for the club?
In the first half, with Naughton forward, we had 36 inside 50s for 5.8.
In the second half, with Naughton back, we had 36 inside 50s for 10.7.
The injuries to our KPD have given us an opportunity to experiment. I don't think he is THAT good that it's not worth trying for a few weeks.
and conceded 8 goals
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Re: Do something with Naughton.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
and conceded 8 goals
Which proves what? None were on Naughton stuff ups. The forwardline functioned and we outscored them. Which is the point of the game.
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Re: Do something with Naughton.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
26 goals and heading for another 50. He stays Forward
Yes personally I thought he looked a little lost down back. Needs a pre season if it is for good not now. Prefer him forward.
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Re: Do something with Naughton.
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Which proves what? None were on Naughton stuff ups. The forwardline functioned and we outscored them. Which is the point of the game.
Like the stuff up when he kicked it straight to North? Then ran back and Zurhar out marked him. He hasn't trained as a backman this season, he did the coach a favour to go back.
I just don't think a FF like him should be taken out of the forward line.
Others have their opinion and I have mine.
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Re: Do something with Naughton.
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
While the forwardline looked the most dangerous all year. Surely it’s about what’s best for the overall team and the result?
Let's remember who we were playing for a sec.
But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.
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Re: Do something with Naughton.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Like the stuff up when he kicked it straight to North? Then ran back and Zurhar out marked him. He hasn't trained as a backman this season, he did the coach a favour to go back.
I just don't think a FF like him should be taken out of the forward line.
Others have their opinion and I have mine.
Fair enough.
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Re: Do something with Naughton.
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Let's remember who we were playing for a sec.
Look at the half stats. The same team. Two very different halves of forward footy.
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Re: Do something with Naughton.
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Fair enough.
I should add in the last 3 years we have won 38 games and lost 24 with Naughton playing forward and he has kicked 47, 50 and 26
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Re: Do something with Naughton.
Originally Posted by
jazzadogs
Not arguing that he's a very good individual forward. But what I saw today made me think he makes our other good forwards worse by running to the same spots and competing for the same marks. He is not a smart forward and kicks his goals through pure talent - not a bad thing in itself, but is it the best thing for the club?
In the first half, with Naughton forward, we had 36 inside 50s for 5.8.
In the second half, with Naughton back, we had 36 inside 50s for 10.7.
The injuries to our KPD have given us an opportunity to experiment. I don't think he is THAT good that it's not worth trying for a few weeks.
This is a compelling statistic caused by the serious injury to Liam Jones to finally move Naughton to defence.
Players like Ugle Hagen, Weightman who was outstanding and Lobb appeared to move with far more freedom, not forgetting the brilliance of Bont who was able to spend time forward with 3 goals. Will Bevo be finally convinced that this is worth continuing with on a more permanent basis.
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Re: Do something with Naughton.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
I should add in the last 3 years we have won 38 games and lost 24 with Naughton playing forward and he has kicked 47, 50 and 26
Chris Grant kicked 500 goals before becoming a great CHB. It can be done.
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Re: Do something with Naughton.
How about we play him forward and back.
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Re: Do something with Naughton.
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Which proves what? None were on Naughton stuff ups. The forwardline functioned and we outscored them. Which is the point of the game.
I'm in the keep Naughton forward camp but understand if we had two of him we would have one at each end.
I didn't see a lot in what he did tonight to change my thoughts of moving him too the back line.
If the forward line functioned better without him tonight, and I'm not saying it did, then we need to change our forward line structure. Lets just have Naughton and Marra up forward.
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