What type of Players do we need to bridge the Gap?

**bornadog** · 08-07-2023, 04:39 PM

Following on from last night's performance what type of players do we need to bridge the gap to get to top 4.

Collingwood have some speedsters that we just couldn't catch - so is this the area we need to focus on, or do posters have a different view?

I think the need for speed should be a focus. The Forward line of Naughton, JUH and Weightman is fine but the other three HF roles need to be fast pressure forwards who can also contribute with scoring. The other areas are speedy wings and backline. Yes we have JJ to come back, but his career is coming to an end as is Duryea's.

**jeemak** · 08-07-2023, 04:48 PM

Mid sized players/ flankers/ wingers who are quick, are willing to take the game on, and can kick.

**bulldogtragic** · 08-07-2023, 04:53 PM

Forward. Depends on if Arty & Clarke make the grade. I hope they do. I like Lohmann from Brisbane as a fast small forward too.

What Jeemak said. Also need a KPD, maybe intercepting type too as I’d look at moving on Keath, Bruce, Croz & TOB.

Need a replacement for Duryea too.

**bornadog** · 08-07-2023, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by bulldogtragic

Forward. Depends on if Arty & Clarke make the grade. I hope they do. I like Lohmann from Brisbane as a fast small forward too.

What Jeemak said. Also need a KPD, maybe intercepting type too as I’d look at moving on Keath, Bruce, Croz & TOB.

Need a replacement for Duryea too.

With KPD, JOD and Buss are the future but it may take another few years. So maybe a Barass type for now.

**bulldogtragic** · 08-07-2023, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by bornadog

With KPD, JOD and Buss are the future but it may take another few years. So maybe a Barass type for now.

We need someone for the now. 100%.

**macca** · 08-07-2023, 05:03 PM

We don’t need more fringe type players , we need our current list to be able to coached :
1. Stop run of play where they kick 2 goals . More stoppages and defensive mindset
2. Reduce fumbles
3. More Fwd line pressure and being able to crumb
4. Goal kicking
5. Being able to execute in the moment

This comes down to coaching

**bornadog** · 08-07-2023, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by macca

We don’t need more fringe type players , we need our current list to be able to coaches :
1. Stop run of play where they kick 2 goals . More stoppages and defensive mindset
2. Reduce fumbles
3. More Fwd line pressure and being able to crumb
4. Goal kicking
5. Being able to execute in the moment

This comes down to coaching

Mate, we just didn't have the players that had the ability to catch the fast moving Pies players. They have genuine speed that we don't.

**macca** · 08-07-2023, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by bornadog

Mate, we just didn't have the players that had the ability to catch the fast moving Pies players. They have genuine speed that we don't.

Can our players be taught to run faster ? If not then there is some series list pruning we need to do

I know it’s a sum of while moving parts to get playing list improvement , either our playing list does not have what it takes ie speed and/or we are not coaching them to beat oppositions strengths ie, their speed

But Goal kicking skills is killing us

**Mofra** · 08-07-2023, 05:28 PM

Someone to slow down the D50 exits. Quaynor and Noble killed us last night. Arty filled the role for a while but just isn't physically ready to do it for a full season (yet).

**bornadog** · 08-07-2023, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by macca

Can our players be taught to run faster ? If not then there is some series list pruning we need to do

I know it’s a sum of while moving parts to get playing list improvement , either our playing list does not have what it takes ie speed and/or we are not coaching them to beat oppositions strengths ie, their speed

But Goal kicking skills is killing us

Exactly we need to prune at least 8 players and bring in players. If you don't have speed, then you just don't have it. Coaching won't make you faster.

Goal kicking didn't kill us last night, they had similar issues with multiple misses (Cox at least twice)

**macca** · 08-07-2023, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by bornadog

Exactly we need to prune at least 8 players and bring in players. If you don't have speed, then you just don't have it. Coaching won't make you faster.

Goal kicking didn't kill us last night, they had similar issues with multiple misses (Cox at least twice)

Only 7 players we need to prune , we have VDM speed for another 2 seasons ( we just got to find a footballer in him)
Pun intended

**Bulldog Joe** · 08-07-2023, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by bornadog

Mate, we just didn't have the players that had the ability to catch the fast moving Pies players. They have genuine speed that we don't.

That is a cop out.
We need to maintain our best pressure and never give an easy out.
There were occasions where we just didn't make the effort and that is why their speedster got away.
We need a no excuses approach.

**Bulldog Joe** · 08-07-2023, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by bornadog

Exactly we need to prune at least 8 players and bring in players. If you don't have speed, then you just don't have it. Coaching won't make you faster.

Goal kicking didn't kill us last night, they had similar issues with multiple misses (Cox at least twice)

Actually Coaching speed is achievable.
Do you think Usain Bolt was quickest without coaching input.

Speed is a skill that can be improved with coaching.

**bornadog** · 08-07-2023, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Bulldog Joe

That is a cop out.
We need to maintain our best pressure and never give an easy out.
There were occasions where we just didn't make the effort and that is why their speedster got away.
We need a no excuses approach.

Not a cop out at all. Were you at the ground? The TV doesn't show the full picture.

Players were chasing but these guys are fast and they moved the ball quickly. Just ask the other 17 clubs.
Guys like West are not quick enough to hold the ball in our fwd50.

Originally Posted by Bulldog Joe

Actually Coaching speed is achievable.
Do you think Usain Bolt was quickest without coaching input.

Speed is a skill that can be improved with coaching.

Sure you can improve but if you don't have natural speed you can only go so far.

**Bulldog Joe** · 08-07-2023, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by bornadog

Not a cop out at all. Were you at the ground? The TV doesn't show the full picture.

Players were chasing but these guys are fast and they moved the ball quickly. Just ask the other 17 clubs.
Guys like West are not quick enough to hold the ball in our fwd50.

Sure you can improve but if you don't have natural speed you can only go so far.

I wasn't there last night but on TV I saw an absolute half hearted chase by Bailey Smith on Bobby Hill. Hill just kept running because there was no pressure. It had much more to do with intent than speed.
Almost immediately after Bailey Williams just let a Collingwood player run off with the ball unchallenged.
Again that is intent.

Adding speed will not help unless there is intent.

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