Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

[bulldogtragic]

No secret reviews and no internal reviews by the people that should be under review themselves.

After the promised review and to release it - then nothing - forgive me if I don’t hold my breath for it. Not a negative or positive, I just don’t think we are the organisation that swings axes in management. For the most part (not all), the people that have left have been resignations. I think like fringe players getting extra tests, we just keep backing our people. No matter the skills not improving, injury management, development, poor assistants, fitness or whatever. Our ethos is always keep backing them in. I’d be shocked for the highly competent (yet nearly invisible) president to sit down Bains and go through the management with a view to renewal, new ideas, refreshing the departments, challenging the status quo by demanding better performers. We are clearly happy with everyone in place and outside of anyone wishing to have a career elsewhere by resigning, I think everyone will be staying. That’s just the culture as I see it. The question I can’t answer, is how many of our people would be employed by the bigger clubs in the same roles?

[angelopetraglia]

After the promised review and to release it - then nothing - forgive me if I don?t hold my breath for it. Not a negative or positive, I just don?t think we are the organisation that swings axes in management. For the most part (not all), the people that have left have been resignations. I think like fringe players getting extra tests, we just keep backing our people. No matter the skills not improving, injury management, development, poor assistants, fitness or whatever. Our ethos is always keep backing them in. I?d be shocked for the highly competent (yet nearly invisible) president to sit down Bains and go through the management with a view to renewal, new ideas, refreshing the departments, challenging the status quo by demanding better performers. We are clearly happy with everyone in place and outside of anyone wishing to have a career elsewhere by resigning, I think everyone will be staying. That?s just the culture as I see it. The question I can?t answer, is how many of our people would be employed by the bigger clubs in the same roles?

Understand your point. But no miracle answer in so called "reviews".

How many "reviews" have Carlton have? They have some deep investigation every few years. Blow the place up. Make a lot of noise. Start again.

They have not played in a single finals series in 10 years. They have not made a PF in over 20 years. They have 100K members and have a lot more resources and financial backers than us.

[GVGjr]

I understand the discussion on JOD but in the modern game there is an absolute premium on tall intercept defenders, and we have clearly identified JOD as someone who can fill this critical void. Geelong did the same fast-tracking of Blicavs and I'm personally ok with it, even if the whole selection integrity discussion can of worms is potentially opened up.

Agree 100% on Darcy. Get his body get right for the next 10-12 years.

The one counter to the JOD intercept defender role is we have played him more forward so far in his early career.
I'm bullish on him as a player for the future but he can develop at Footscray and it doesn't have to be in the seniors

[Mantis]

I have long said we over rate our team. We lack a few key roles to get us into top 4.
when I put this to woof posters In a thread, most thought we had the players and didn?t need any specific players.

Collingwood are on the top of the ladder with KPP’s (besides Moore) who are just average AFL players and a mix match of flankers who just play their roles, sure they have some A grade talent, but no more than us.

What’s different?

[bornadog]

Collingwood are on the top of the ladder with KPP’s (besides Moore) who are just average AFL players and a mix match of flankers who just play their roles, sure they have some A grade talent, but no more than us.

What’s different?

Difference is pace. Who would you prefer in your team:

Quaynor, Noble, McCreery, Johnson, Crisp, Hill

or McNeil, Scott, VDM, West

[DOG GOD]

Difference is pace. Who would you prefer in your team:

Quaynor, Noble, McCreery, Johnson, Crisp, Hill

or McNeil, Scott, VDM, West

And those Coll boys know how to tackle and make it stick. Throw Maynard in there as well.

[Mantis]

Difference is pace. Who would you prefer in your team:

Quaynor, Noble, McCreery, Johnson, Crisp, Hill

or McNeil, Scott, VDM, West

If the sport was athletics I might agree that pure pace was vital, but it’s intent and how you use your legs that’s important, and it’s where we fail.

[jeemak]

At what point do we also just say the guys who play for Collingwood are actually really good footballers as well?

[Bulldog Joe]

At what point do we also just say the guys who play for Collingwood are actually really good footballers as well?

This the issue I have when we talk rebuild.

Who actually valued Collingwood's list at the end of 2021.

They haven't done too much more than tweak some things and change their coach.

I would suspect that everyone rated our list ahead of Collingwood and yet they are now premiership favorites with a couple of trades and adding some fringe players from outside.

Does anyone think they have had a rebuild.

[bornadog]

At what point do we also just say the guys who play for Collingwood are actually really good footballers as well?

That is what I am saying. Compare the two sets of players?

[bornadog]

This the issue I have when we talk rebuild.

Who actually valued Collingwood's list at the end of 2021.

They haven't done too much more than tweak some things and change their coach.

I would suspect that everyone rated our list ahead of Collingwood and yet they are now premiership favorites with a couple of trades and adding some fringe players from outside.

Does anyone think they have had a rebuild.

Yes, they have completely tweaked their team

[Bulldog Joe]

Yes, they have completely tweaked their team

How have they completely tweaked the team?

They have changed how they play but the only really significant addition is Nick Daicos.

That doesn't constitute a rebuild.

[bornadog]

How have they completely tweaked the team?

They have changed how they play but the only really significant addition is Nick Daicos.

That doesn't constitute a rebuild.

2021
saac Chugg (del)*
Levi Greenwood (ret)
Mark Keane (ret)
Max Lynch (trd)
Chris Mayne (ret)
Jay Rantall (del)
Brayden Sier (del)
Josh Thomas (ret)
Anton Tohill (ret)

2022

Callum Brown (del)
Tyler Brown (del)
Isaac Chugg (del)
Brodie Grundy (trd)
Ollie Henry (trd)
Jack Madgen (del)
Liam McMahon (del)
Cooper Murley* (del)
Caleb Poulter (del)
Jordan Roughead (ret)

[bulldogtragic]

Collingwood:

2020:

Picks 17, 19, 23, 30, 31, 44 (McReery) (RD 13 (Ginnivan), 28)

2021:

Pick 4 (Daicos), 45, 49, 52, (RD 2, 20)

2022:

Picks 19, 28, 48 (RD 16)



Collingwood did really well out of the draft. They hit it hard in 2020 and then bagged Daicos. I think it?s been helpful for them, and they have plenty of kids still to impact and keep their window open longer. I have no issue with doing something similar this year with our two first rounders and ability to take Croft late first round too.

[Bulldog Joe]

2021
saac Chugg (del)[FONT="]*[/FONT]
Levi Greenwood (ret)
Mark Keane (ret)
Max Lynch (trd)
Chris Mayne (ret)
Jay Rantall (del)
Brayden Sier (del)
Josh Thomas (ret)
Anton Tohill (ret)

2022

Callum Brown (del)
Tyler Brown (del)
Isaac Chugg (del)
Brodie Grundy (trd)
Ollie Henry (trd)
Jack Madgen (del)
Liam McMahon (del)
Cooper Murley* (del)
Caleb Poulter (del)
Jordan Roughead (ret)

So the significant out was Grundy.
Everyone else was fringe or worse except for those retiring.
How does that constitute a rebuild