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    Re: Rule changes 2024

    The Daicos miss was a terrible screw-up but overall I liked the rule change. Players are already starting to tap it on and not take possession - they are smart and will adapt, as was every player in the first 100 years of the competition.

    It will shit me if they relax the rule, and I suspect they will in about a month's time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sedat View Post
    The Daicos miss was a terrible screw-up but overall I liked the rule change. Players are already starting to tap it on and not take possession - they are smart and will adapt, as was every player in the first 100 years of the competition.

    It will shit me if they relax the rule, and I suspect they will in about a month's time.
    They will. This exact thing happened in 2021 I believe (or 2020).

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    The HTB rule was a shit show in the first half.

    Second half I thought it was ok.
    More of an In Bruges guy?

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    I'm obviously on my own, but if someone picks up the ball and is tackled before they've taken a step, and the tackler helps hold the ball in - that should be a ball up.

    I'm not talking about the Naicos miss - agree that had nothing to do with the new interpretation.

    I don't think it's entertaining watching guys paddle the ball around, too scared to take possession because they'll get pinged. I like seeing people putting their body over the ball and driving through tackles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzadogs View Post
    I'm obviously on my own, but if someone picks up the ball and is tackled before they've taken a step, and the tackler helps hold the ball in - that should be a ball up.

    I'm not talking about the Naicos miss - agree that had nothing to do with the new interpretation.

    I don't think it's entertaining watching guys paddle the ball around, too scared to take possession because they'll get pinged. I like seeing people putting their body over the ball and driving through tackles.
    I tend to agree - I said last night at the game, players are getting scared to pick up the ball.
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    Well I liked the interpretation despite a few errors.

    The game is much better when you eliminate the opportunity for players to just hold the ball for a stoppage.

    I certainly hope they maintain the interpretation as evidenced in round 12.

    It does need to be applied consistently to every player(that is always an issue)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog Joe View Post
    Well I liked the interpretation despite a few errors.

    The game is much better when you eliminate the opportunity for players to just hold the ball for a stoppage.

    I certainly hope they maintain the interpretation as evidenced in round 12.

    It does need to be applied consistently to every player(that is always an issue)
    It's a fine line between prior opportunity and HTB
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    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    It's a fine line between prior opportunity and HTB
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    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    It's a fine line between prior opportunity and HTB
    It is a fine line between success and failure as well.

    Umpires are there to make the decision and they will get some wrong, but anyone who takes a step or has the ball free need to dispose or it is HTB.

    The concession I would make is on incorrect disposal where they attempt to kick/handball where prior opportunity was lacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog Joe View Post
    Well I liked the interpretation despite a few errors.

    The game is much better when you eliminate the opportunity for players to just hold the ball for a stoppage.

    I certainly hope they maintain the interpretation as evidenced in round 12.

    It does need to be applied consistently to every player(that is always an issue)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog Joe View Post
    It is a fine line between success and failure as well.

    Umpires are there to make the decision and they will get some wrong, but anyone who takes a step or has the ball free need to dispose or it is HTB.

    The concession I would make is on incorrect disposal where they attempt to kick/handball where prior opportunity was lacking.
    I've never really been on top of incorrect disposal and why that's not a thing. I was listening to umpire boss Steve McBurney on the radio over the weekend and he was saying an attempt is good enough, you don't actually have to make contact with the ball to dispose of it.

    Why on earth is that acceptable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SquirrelGrip View Post
    I've never really been on top of incorrect disposal and why that's not a thing. I was listening to umpire boss Steve McBurney on the radio over the weekend and he was saying an attempt is good enough, you don't actually have to make contact with the ball to dispose of it.

    Why on earth is that acceptable?
    that has slowly crept into the umpiring. I am pretty sure incorrect disposal is still a rule
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    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    that has slowly crept into the umpiring. I am pretty sure incorrect disposal is still a rule
    It’s my big umpiring bug bear. Every match there are multiple incorrect disposals. I assumed rule had been removed. Don’t understand why it’s not used more as it would ease congestion which is what their after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sedat View Post
    The Paul Roos effect. Nobody has done more damage to the aesthetic of the modern game than him.
    Paul Roos would counter that by saying Paul Roos.
    TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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    Sample size is now big enough - Laura Kane appointment is a massive failure as is Andrew Dillon. I've been around plenty of corporates the last 25+ years so I have a sharp ear for meaningless word salads - whenever I hear someone from executive level use utter gibberish like "let's unpack this further", they are mediocre in talent and have repeatedly failed up throughout the inner bubble of their corporate career.

    What has happened with the rules/interpretation is actually scandalous, or my suspicion is that the AFEL don't actually care and that they judge success on completely different metrics to what is truly important. It is obvious that the talkback/media column inches are of a higher priority to the AFEL than the actual integrity of the rules of the game itself. It's all about the clicks, the value of media impressions, and other metrics that ensure maximum TV rights and bonuses for the cabal of senior executives. To hell with the players, the clubs and the lower levels of the game - actually to hell with the game itself.
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