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    Jordan Roughead

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    Jordan Roughead (North Ballarat Rebels)

    200/92 mid-age right foot (has other foot if necessary) ruck

    *STYLE LIKE: Charman

    *MY RANKING (not meant to reflect appropriate draft pick to use): 13

    *PROBABILITY OF AFL CAREER: Definite. Ready year 2.

    - Within an AFL team list, could prove capable of SUSTAINING a ranking of 3-5.

    *HURT FACTORS (Offensive/Defensive/Negative): M / LM / M

    *TRADEMARK:

    - Centre-bounce palm-out down the throat of a team-mate in a position to effect a clean disposal.

    *MAIN SELLING POINTS:

    - Ruck smarts, skills.
    - Vision
    - Leap
    - Ethic
    - Improvement trend / Scope for further improvement
    - Decision-making / smarts

    *MAIN QUERY:

    - Kicking reliability (not a huge issue though).

    *SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:

    - 200cm ruck who only committed to footy fairly recently. An ex basketballer who actually plays an inside game yet brings to the table some useful basketball attributes and smarts. The most impressive ruck skills of any underage ruck in this draft.

    - Quite good ethic, can take a grab, smart and usually makes right decisions, mobile (although lacks a little pace), quite good endurance.

    - I don't get excited about Jim Stynes-type ruckwork (i.e. statistically win the hit-out but the ball drops at the ruckman's feet, to no-one's advantage). Roughead though is "definite AFL" purely for his frequency of silver service to his mids, at centre bounces especially, regardless of whatever else he brings to the table.

    - If my club's main intention was to draft a ruck primarily for ability to do frequent hitouts to genuine advantage, Roughead would be my clear choice ... in a heartbeat. And that's despite my very high regard for 3 other rucks in this draft. And, given that hypothetical drafting priority, I'd use whatever pick was believed necessary to ensure I got my man.

    - An encouraging bonus with Roughead is his improvement around the ground. His improvement trend in that aspect is very solid. Averaged only 9d in '07 but improved to 14d in '08. In his last 8 TAC games, he averaged 16d and his quietest game in terms of possessions was 13 (he also had 24d in one of those games). In his previous 16 TAC games, he only got *more* than 13d 4 times. 66% improvement on last year's average and 25% up on his average in the first 1/2 of '08. He's unlikely to have the elite follower ability of Cox but, given time, he will be a more than handy possession-gathering AFL ruck around the ground, perhaps regularly 15-20d a game.

    Vickery is the Vic ruck we often associate with mobility and around the ground stuff but Roughead is not all that far behind. Vickery averaged 17d at TAC level and 11d in '08 Champs and Roughead 14d and 7d. In the 2nd half of both their '08 seasons, Vickery averaged a Cox-like 21d, Roughead 16d.

    Roughead is no Paul Salmon but he's no duffer around goals either. He is not an "in the ruck or on the bench" type. He is quite capable of a good grab up forward (or a gather and snap). Kicked 11-5 in '08 following 8-2 in '07 and he continues to improve in that area.

    RUCKWORK:

    - Displays the most intelligent, skilled, mature, effective ruckwork I've seen in an U18 ruck for some time. He doesn't just ruck to a predictable formula as many rucks do. e.g. He varies his positioning and approach at centre bounces. (e.g. Sometimes cleverly pre-positions himself at CB just marginally his side of the line then immediately moves over the line as ball is bounced, allowing him to take "front posn" coming from side - sometimes from the left, sometimes from the right). His ability to tactically think through ruck contest gives him a major advantage over many opponents. A bigger bag of tricks and tactical smarts also means that if an opponent seems to have his measure with one approach, Roughead can seamlessly switch tactics without having to compromise his own capability. At the very least, he keeps the other ruck guessing.

    - A ruck's tap-outs with hurt factor to a targeted team-mate are most potent at CB's and that's Roughhead's biggest differential strength compared to other rucks in this draft but he is also very efficient at non-CB ruck contests.

    - Excellent awareness of where his teammates are.

    - Very big leap and times it extremely well.

    - His own clearance work is fairly good and he is now a ruck who sees his job at ruck contests as not over until the ball is cleared from the area. I really value that.

    - Usually holds his ground but occasionally fails to (and the times I've noticed it fail, it's surprisingly usually been against a short, lighter ruck, not a giant).

    - Most of his ruckwork against VM was against McKernan who he beat comfortably but he did also beat Vickery in their limited time in ruck together. On other occasions when they've met, Roughead has had the better of Vickery at CB and they've roughly broken at non-CB. Beat Naitanui "on points" in their contests and beat Redden also (Redden did some nice work himself but Roughead definitely won on the day).

    *DISPOSAL:

    - Kicking accuracy let him down a bit this year but he does some good kicks. He's certainly not an unco ruck who *has* to do 1m feeds instead of kicking.

    - Very reliable by hand. In fairness, many of his feeds are little give-offs typical of a ruck, so I'm not suggesting he's the next Polly Farmer, but some do have good hurt factor and he does display quick hands.

    *DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:

    - Decision-making / smarts, especially vision, are a major strength and perhaps his basketball background comes to the fore here. He thinks through situations very well, he almost routinely looks for options (and usually makes the right choice) and he often shows excellent vision. He does some really clever things and displays quick thinking.

    *HANDS:

    - Regularly clean. Not just ground balls but his aerial ball control is also very good, even under great pressure.

    Ball control (as distinct from ground ball cleanness) is a fairly handy ability in a mid around the ground but inside stoppages is more than handy - it's a really productive attribute to have, given how often the ball is up in the air either from a ruckman's hit-out or from popping up from the hands of whoever gathers the spills. It's something I value in an inside mid but, in a ruckman, it's a gem. Roughead's very adept in this area.

    *OVERHEAD MARKING:

    - Not yet a feature but he sometimes takes a very good contested grab, either front or behind and usually under great pressure. Took a screamer mid-pack under great pressure against Eastern Ranges in R13 last year - hung in the air.

    Usually judges well, attacks his marks. Hands usually good, even under the greatest of pressure..

    *ATHLETICISM:

    - His DC results were OK but he looked tired by the end of his '08 season so I wouldn't read anything negative into his "fair"endurance results. eg His DC beep was an "OK" 12-07 but he did almost a level better (13-03) at TAC pre-season testing. By comparison, Vickery constantly records beeps in the 11's and Naitanui's beeps have typically been in the 12's. Similarly, Roughead's normal on-field endurance is much better than his DC 3km of 12.23min might suggest.

    - Very big leap.

    - Pace is "slow midfielder" pace but acceptable for a quality ruck. (His quickest time at '08 DC flatters him a bit). Pace off the mark is sometimes sluggish, sometimes quite good. Very mobile though.

    - Seems to be a late physical developer. Has grown about 5cm between early '07 and late '08 and also doesn't have the degree of body hair of some peers. Officially only grown 1cm since early '08 (and measurement diffs of just 1cm are meaningless) but might even still have a fraction more growth left?

    - Fairly good at keeping his feet.

    - Good reflexes.

    - Defensive agility isn't always flash but is passable.

    *INTENSITY, ETHIC:

    - His intensity isn't uniform but it's generally pretty good. It let him down somewhat in '07 and his coach urged him in at least a couple of games to push back harder and show more intensity. He's still not quite there but has shown significant improvement this year.

    Has most of the 1%ers covered. Chases (which some rucks don't). Attacks the spoil. Generally an effective tackler..

    - Gets his own ball inside traffic.

    - Very coachable. Intelligent kid. Asks questions. Keen to learn.. Team man.

    *CONSISTENCY:

    - Quite consistent, both game by game and within a game and in effort as well as output.

    *AFL VERSATILITY:

    - Specialist ruck but as a ruck resting productively in FP, not someone who has to be benched when resting.

    *CSI (COMPARATIVE SCOPE for IMPROVEMENT):

    - Although 2 full TAC seasons, is ex-basketballer and a country kid so CSI is a bit above normal.

    *SOME STATS:

    - Stats summary '08 TAC:
    Averaged 14 disposals in 15 local games. 0.7 contested marks. 2.5 tackles. Total goals 11-5 .
    10 kicks per 20 disposals.
    Ineffective kicks: 4.3 per 10 kicks.
    Ineff handballs: 1.2 per 10 handballs.
    Ineffective disposals: 5.6 per 20 disp.
    HandBall Receives: 4.3 per 20 disp. Uncontested marks: 6.0 per 20 disp. HR+UM: 10.3 per 20 disp.
    Contested Marks: 1.0 per 20 disp.
    At least: 20 disposals in 1 games.
    - Mid-way trend ... % change in disposals was + 25%. % change in KI/10K was + 44%. % change in Ineff/20D was + 30%. % change in contested marks was -68%. % change in handball receives was + 49%. % change in tackles was + 68%.

    - Stats summary '07 TAC:
    Averaged 9 disposals in 18 TAC games. 0.4 contested marks. 1.7 tackles. Total goals 8-2 .
    9 kicks per 20 disposals (ranking No.22 for lowest in comp).
    Ineffective kicks: 2.7 per 10 kicks.
    Ineff handballs: 2.6 per 10 handballs.
    Ineffective disposals: 5.3 per 20 disp.
    HandBall Receives: 4.1 per 20 disp. Uncontested marks: 4.1 per 20 disp. HR+UM: 8.2 per 20 disp.
    Contested Marks: 1.0 per 20 disp.
    - Mid-way trend ... % change in disposals was + 29%. % change in KI/10K was -20%. % change in Ineff/20D was -39%. % change in contested marks was + 67%. % change in handball receives was + 68%. % change in tackles was + 51%.

    - Stats summary '08 U18 Champs:
    Averaged 7 disposals and 3.0 marks in his 5 games. (Best TD 8). (Tot TOG 0%).
    Averaged 8 kicks per 20 disposals.
    Kicks long vs short: 2-4 (3 long per 10 kicks).
    Ineffective kicks: 8/14 (5.7 per 10 kicks), incl 1 clangers (0.7 per 10 kicks).
    Ineff handballs: 2/22 (0.9 per 10 handballs), incl 0 clangers (0.0/10 hb).
    Ineffective disposals: 10/36 (5.6 per 20 disp), incl 1 clangers (0.6 per 20 disp).
    HandBall Receives: 7/36 (3.9 per 20 disp). Uncontested marks: 11/36 (6.1 per 20 disp). HR+UM: 18/36 (10.0 per 20 disp).
    Contested marks: 4 (2.2 per 20 disp).
    Hardball gets: 3/36 (1.7 per 20 disp).
    SP Clears: 5/36 (2.8 per 20 disp), incl 2 CBC (1.1/20 disp) and 1 other BU (0.6/20 disp).
    Tackles: 7 (Avg 1.4 per game).
    HO: (Tot - cb - oth b/u - t/i): 72-33-15-24, comprising 16-9-5-2 (vs VM) 12-5-4-3 (vs NSW) 14-4-0-10 (vs WA) 14-5-3-6 (vs SA) 16-10-3-3 (vs TAS)

    *OTHER STUFF:

    - Jarryd's cousin.
    - Ex-basketballer.
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    Re: Jordan Roughead

    Thanks for posting that GVGjr. From the sounds of it we're got ourselves a reasonable selection and here's hoping he can develop into a quality player for us in a couple of years time. Its nice to know that Wiseby who IMO has generally been on the ball with Bulldog selections (ie Walsh, Ray, Griffen) rates Roughead.

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    Re: Jordan Roughead

    I am delighted with that assessment from a man who knows his stuff.

    Perfectly timed to take over from Hudson in 2010

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    Thanks for the post Gaz.

    Great write-up by Wiseby, and a lot to like about Roughie from that. Saw Jordan play a bit earlier in the year and had a quiet hope that we would look at him but after committing to Cordy never thought he would last to 31.

    Steal.

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    Thanks Gaz. I only just got off his website yesterday to see if he had posted about our guys. At that time he had only done a write up on Swift and Sidebottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desipura View Post
    Thanks Gaz. I only just got off his website yesterday to see if he had posted about our guys. At that time he had only done a write up on Swift and Sidebottom.
    I have been in contact with him to get his permission to post this one in particular.
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    Nothing on Cordy or Jones?

    Interesting write up and he obviously thinks we got a bargain at pick 31.

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    This is his top 40 selections
    Cordy was not included primarily because he was a father/son selection but also he see's him as a somewhat risky prospect.

    Wisbey:
    Note that this year, I excluded from my top 40 most players I would not draft myself (even some players I expected to get drafted relatively early). This was a year in which I doubt even the top 20 from any club would be very similar to the top 20 from any other club. With the odd exception, most kids I ranked earlier than I expected them to go were there mainly because of attractive decison-making / usage. Some were ranked early based on upside compared to the alternatives. Most of the "touted" draftees who didn't make my top 40 or so were kids I viewed as being dodgy decison-makers / users and/or kids for whom I struggled to identify an AFL role they might be capable of "owning".

    1. NAITANUI, Nicholas (2 WCE)
    2. SWIFT, Tom (20 WCE)
    3. WATTS, Jack (1 MEL)
    4. HILL, Stephen (3 FRE)
    5. YARRAN, Chris (6 CAR)
    6. RICH, Daniel (7 BRI)
    7. LYNCH, Tom (13 STK)
    8. HARTLETT, Hamish (4 POR)
    9. HURLEY, Michael (5 ESS)
    10. ZIEBELL, Jack (9 KAN)
    11. BLIGHT, Jarrad (45 COL)
    12. ROBINSON, Mitch (40 CAR)
    13. ROUGHEAD, Jordan (31 WBD)
    14. VICKERY, Tyrone (8 RIC)
    15. BROADBENT, Matthew (38 POR)
    16. SUBAN, Nick (24 FRE)
    17. MCKERNAN, Shaun (28 ADE)
    18. STRAUSS, James (19 MEL)
    19. SHUEY, Luke (18 WCE)
    20. BROWN, Mitchell (15 GEE)
    21. STILL, Michael (55 ESS)
    22. REDDEN, Jarrad (54 POR)
    23. SMITH, Alistair (62 STK)
    24. SIDEBOTTOM, Steele (11 COL)
    25. O'KEEFFE, Rhys (65 CAR)
    26. TRENGOVE, Jackson (22 POR)
    27. SHIELS, Liam (34 HAW)
    28. PEARCE, Clancee (R48 FRE)
    29. DAWSON, Glenn (66 POR)
    30. ROCKLIFF, Tom (P 5 BRI)
    32. HANNEBERY, Dan (30 SYD)
    33. JETTA, Neville (51 MEL)
    35. SCHOENMAKERS, Ryan (16 HAW)
    36. WEADON, Bryn (R31 GEE)
    37. SMITH, Ashley (36 WCE)
    38. HEYNE, Nicholas (48 STK)
    40. CAHILL, Paul (74 STK)
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    Re: Jordan Roughead

    Brilliant stuff CWiseby - thanks, and great organising as always GVG

    Roughy sounds a great prospect - and I couldn't help but noting from the image used on the dogs website he certainly looks to be a baby faced young ruck prospect with much scope for physical development

    I've also very pleased they went for Roughy after selecting Ayce with the father son - this is the type of list balancing recruitment that we've needed for some time

    Sure, all the talls wont all get there, but they needed to get a good core of them on the list and try to develop them

    Any Dog couldn't help but be excited by the fact he is from Bulldog stock and we were very keen for his cousin. I'm excited to watch his progress at Willy in 09

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    Great work GVG. What exactly is his hurt factor ratings?

    Everything I have read about Roughhead has been positive. He actually sounds a bit like Hudson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topdog View Post
    Great work GVG. What exactly is his hurt factor ratings?

    Everything I have read about Roughhead has been positive. He actually sounds a bit like Hudson.
    I believe the hurt factors revolve around High Medium, Low Medium, Medium, High and Low etc.
    The main things to look for is where a player gets a rating of MH / MH / L which means they are a very good attacking player, strong defensively but can still hurt you and no real downside.

    I'll ask him next week for a more definitive answer.

    Hopefully Roughead could be used more in the forward line than Hudson has been and thus is the reason why Wiz rates him like Charman.
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    Re: Jordan Roughead

    His tap work looked brilliant from his youtube videos, nice to hear an experienced talent scout talk his tapwork up as well. A couple of easy centre clearances a quarter should equate to perhaps 4-5 F50 entries and hopefully 2-3 goals per game.

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    esp. when they are releasing the CoonDog and Griff for uncontested F50 entries.

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    Style Like: Charman

    Sold right there. Im a fan of big Jamie..solid contributer and would love him at our club a few years back..looking fwd to seeing Jordan out there even more

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    Quote Originally Posted by GVGjr View Post
    This is his top 40 selections
    Cordy was not included primarily because he was a father/son selection but also he see's him as a somewhat risky prospect.
    Do you know the reason for this, was it related to his injury or just whether he could make the transition to the AFL?

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