Western Bulldogs 1990-1996, 98 games - 38 goals
Adelaide 1997, 13 games - 23 goals
TCD: Hi Barry & thanks for your time.
BS: You're welcome.
Let's start at the start, where did you grow up?
On a dairy farm at Fish Creek in South Gippsland.
Who did you barrack for as a kid?
Most of my family supported Collingwood, so I followed them until I was about 12, then I switched to Footscray because Gary Walpole who was also from Fish Creek went down there.
Who did you start your footy career with?
Fish Creek in the Alberton League. As a 10 year old I played in the under 14's. It was hard to get a kick back then, only coming on for a quarter a game, so we used to double up & play against kids our own age at half time of the seniors.
What were Fish Creek called?
Funny, a bit of a mixture. The Fish Creek Kangaroos play in the old South Melbourne jumpers & sing the Collingwood theme song.
How did you come to the attention of Footscray?
Living in Gippsland I was zoned to Footscray. During the mid 1980's I played representative football & came to the attention of Garry O'Sullivan & Garry Merrington as I made the Victorian Schoolboy's Team one year. I played an under 19's game in 1986.
So, did you come down to Melbourne in 1987?
No, my parents wanted me to finish school first, so I played 7 games that year in the under 19's under permit. My older brother had moved to Melbourne & was studying at F.I.T. so I moved in with him in 1988.
Was it a huge change moving to Melbourne?
Yes, but as well as playing under 19's & reserves I also went to University studying Applied Science & Secondary Education & later taught PE & Environmental Studies at St. John's in Thornbury & Ellinbank Secondary College in West Meadows.
Were you close to getting a senior game in those 2 years?
I played a night series match midweek out at Waverley against Carlton.
With the events unfolding as they did after the 1989 season your career might have finished before it really began.
Yes, I still have a copy of the document all players were provided with outlining the details of the process of the merger with Fitzroy. I remember Stephen MacPherson was particularly vocal about things when the players first met with Peter Gordon at his King Street office.
Now, everyone remembers round 1, 1990 as Chris Grant debuted in that game. You also debuted too, didn't you?
Yes, I started in the back pocket on Rod Owen. I spent about 10 minutes on Tony Lockett at one stage, but fortunately for me the ball didn't come down our end. We lost by about 10 goals.
You only played 5 games that season.
I did. We played Collingwood at Victoria Park on a Saturday in round 4 & then buttered up against Carlton at Princes Park in round 5 just 4 days later on a Wednesday. It was an ANZAC Day match that was played mid week, before the Collingwood v Essendon matches we see today. I broke my leg in a marking clash & a scuffle developed right on top of me. I knew my leg was broken & I just wanted everyone to get off me.
To rub salt into the wounds a Carlton supporter threw a can of coke at me & it hit me in the head. As I was in the rooms I heard this enormous crash. It was windy & a flagpole above the stand had snapped & crashed down onto some spectators.
What happened in 1991 as you again only played 5 games?
I played in round 1 against Collingwood. We got beaten by 12 goals & I was dropped. In the reserves the following week I hurt my arm & missed 5 games & spent most of the season in the reserves. I got back into the seniors for the last 4 games that season.
Going back to Princes Park, you probably played one of the best games of your career there against Carlton in 1993.
Yes, early on Scott Wynd copped a knee to the back of the head from the Honourable Justin Madden & started convulsing on the field. I had started at CHB & got thrown into the ruck. It would have thrown Carlto's planning out a bit as they would not have been expecting me to ruck.
How come you only played 2 games in 1996?
I hurt my achilles in round 2 & then tore it at training on the following Thursday. I needed an operation & my season was over. Not great timing as I was out of contract at the end of 1996.
So, how did you end up at Adelaide (Traded for picks 32 - Jim Plunkett & 47 - Brett Montgomery).
They were the only club to offer me a contract (the Bulldogs never offered me one) & it felt it was worth pursuing as I was looking at other things outside of football & with the whole of South Australia behind them I felt there may well be opportunities.
I played a fair bit of the 1997 season. I missed a few games due to my other achilles & was an emergency throughout the finals that year, but saw a huge gulf between the facilities of Adelaide & the Western Bulldogs.
I was fortunate in that I got involved in training/retraining unemployed people prior to Traineeships, but saw how things were headed & started my own training organisation which I still do now in Gippsland.
What happened in 1998?
Injured again! Did my achilles & tore the hamstring off the bone, so called it quits.
Who were some of the better players you played alongside?
* Scott Wynd - a great tap ruckman, unstoppable in his Brownlow year, a great leader too.
* Chris Grant - I played my first game when Granty played his. It was a disgrace he was not the Brownlow Medalist in 1997. Anyone who knew him knew just how fair he was.
* Scott West - he had remarkable endurance & could just run all day, just knew where to go to get the ball. Should have been another Brownlow winner.
* Doug Hawkins - past his best as I was starting out, but just an absolute legend. He was Footscray there for a while.
What about some players form other clubs?
* Tony Lockett - I usually played on Stewie Loewe, but just saw how good Lockett was, massive bloke, strong & deceptively quick off the mark.
* Garry Ablett - Fortunately I usually stood Barry Stoneham or Bill Brownless, but Ablett was just an absolute freak. As good as you'll ever see & could play anywhere.
* Wayne Carey - a Champion player & North's game plan was tailored around him & nearly every forward entry went through him.
* Stephen Kernahan - a terrific player & leader. Captained his club for about 250 games. Strong hands.
Who were your coaches & what can you tell us?
* Mick Malthouse - I didn't have a lot to do with him, but as a youngster starting out he was very intimidating.
* Terry Wheeler - a really good coach & was ahead of his time with how he saw the game. Had multiple footballs going at training, got in assistants, a psychologist & dietitian, had us training during the day & saw footballers going full time before anyone else.
* Alan Joyce - the opposite to Wheels in some ways. Was a Premiership coach at Hawthorn so has plenty of respect, but at training we'd just have one footy & it was high intensity just trying to get it.
* Terry Wallace - I was injured & actually spent a fair bit of time in the coaches box. Very big on his match ups & always looked to use them to exploit the opposition.
* Malcolm Blight - he was the best coach I had & the worst coach I had. Cold see game trends before others even thought of them but could do his nana & go off tap over something minor.
What have you done since you retired from the AFL?
Mainly played & coached in Gippsland. I'm in my third stint as a player at Fish Creek (2nd stint as coach), had stints as player/coach at Leongatha & Korumburra-Bena.
I had actually retired in 2007, but a mate of mine in President of Fish Creek & he talked me into pulling on the boots again. The club was struggling for numbers, so you just help out where you can.
What the story on the home front?
Living just outside Leongatha with my wife of 13 years, Emily. We have 4 children, 3 girls & a boy, Amber (9), Cobie (7), Jemma (5) & Archie (17 months). It's full on with sports of all sorts. As well as my footy the kids are right into gymnastics, swimming, netball & little athletics.
Do they have an interest in the AFL?
Yes, all support the Bulldogs. Amber was a Crow early on.
Do you still take an interest in the AFL yourself?
Yes, thought it's hard to get to Melbourne & see many games. I still continue to be a member & Simon Atkins has got me to join the past players.
Thanks for your time Barry, very much appreciated.