I believe GWS were looking at him so I don't know whether we would look at trading him for a pick in the next year or two
I believe GWS were looking at him so I don't know whether we would look at trading him for a pick in the next year or two
Fantasia! is it his real name?
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Isn't it funny how things turn around? After the 2007 season it was highlighted Eade was doing "too much" from a media perspective and from an overall football operations perspective.
When we got back on track in 2008, 2009 and 2010 Im sure majority commented how well Fantasia has performed and helped Eade out.
As earlier said we as a club have made a few interesting trade choices and contract offers.
If I recall correctly Scott Clayton helped with contracts and did all trading by himself (with assistance from Eade).
Clayton and Wells (geelong) are the two clear standouts when it comes to all things recruiting and trading.
My point being it was always going to be very hard to replace Clayton, but it doesn't excuse errors that are occurring.
Did Fantasia lead the football department review at the end of 2010?
I am not familiar with his role in the nuts and bolts sense so he escapes my criticism. Should the role be more prominent in fans thinking around the team?
The Howard choice is even more curious given that players selected after him (Pittard and Tapscott) who play the same role were both more proven performers at u/18 level, and have proven thus far to be better at AFL level.
Clayton picked his share of smokies, but this, so far, just seems as if Fantasia and Dal overthought their first draft.
Just for the public record, it was Fantasia's call to reject Pelican's late offer of picks 37 and 66 for Josh Hill, and justified this decision by stating that other clubs think he is worth a top 20 pick in a diluted draft. Sure thing James
We heard from Fantasia every week when we were flying in the top 4 and he has completely disappeared from public view in 2011 now that we are struggling, with Rocket hung out to dry. I am struggling to rationalise what value Fantasia has added to our club since he arrived, other than to relieve Rocket of some meanial duties that were detracting from his coaching priorities in 2007. Our contract negotiations have been a shambles since Fantasia took over this function from Clayton. Fantasia's negotiations during trade week have been poor to say the least, and he has made some very questionable contract decisions and list management decisions that have already been well documented on this thread.
Rocket is in the gun but even his biggest detractors acknowledge that he is a coach of genuine quality and compares well with his compatriots. How does Fantasia compare with Geoff Walsh? How does he scrub up against Neil Balme? If we are serious about sweeping the broom through the kennel, Fantasia should be the first one gone IMO.
Yep, Sedat: agreed. You've tied up all my post-season, contract and trade complaints over the past couple of years into one post -- as an under-resourced club the last thing we need is to coast along in the one area where creativity and negotiation skill can be a great leveller. GVG has been vocal for a few years now about the need to cut deeper -- in a year where we were going to get two father-sons, an opportunistic thinker would have seen it as a real chance to trade for a few more first/second round picks and bolster that age group and give our 2010 draft a leg up on every other club's (bar GC). On the other hand, a bog-standard status quo thinker sees every draft as the same: a chance to get an even spread of one first draft, one second draft etc. etc., and was thus happy enough that we were getting Mitch and Libba. Collingwood, which brought in quality players via creative negotiations with GC, were opportunistic. We, in relaxing with the knowledge that we were getting two kids we ALREADY HAD IN THE BAG FOR YEARS, were just status quo observers (unless you count trading for players who were going to be delisted anyway).
Our trade week work from 2005 to 2008 was outstanding under the stewardship of Scott Clayton/Rocket. Getting Aker for pick 34 (ridiculous steal at the time as his on-field output proved), doing whatever it took to offload Rawlings and salary cap space off our books, picking up McDougall for 2 minor pick downgrades (it didn't work out but it was creative thinking and cost bugger-all to do), establishing Ben Hudson's trade value at between pick 22 (our current pick at the time) and 30 and then ensuring that we had a pick 30 to give to Adelaide for Hudson (we did this with some crafty pick exchanges with West Coast that allowed us to upgrade our picks in almost every round of that draft), McMahon for pick 19 (nuff said), not being shy about trading away fringe players like Sam Power and Shane Birss for lower picks (I guess Fantasia would think these guys were top 20 picks in that draft year as well ).
I certainly don't have any level of comfort in trade week under Fantasia's guidance, nor has he given me any reason to have any.
Trade week I can almost call a pass (getting Sherman cheaper than the Swans offer helps) - it's the contracts which erode my confidence in his ability.
Mulligan under contract, signing up Hooper after one game, 3 years for Djerkurra (does anyone seriously think he wouldn't have signed on for two?).
Some puzzling decisions that aren't entirely logical to the outside observer.
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