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    Re: Eade sacking a lapdog approach

    It is an interesting article and the whole 'who runs the football dept' question is one that plagues clubs at all levels. If you follow the NFL closely, you would well understand the continual debate that is held between 'TSAR' type coaches who also have full authority over player personnel decisions (think Parcells anywhere, Shanahan in Washington (and in Denver I guess), Holmgren in Seattle) vs other scenarios where a GM oversees personnel and is clearly in charge of the coach (Polian in Indy, Thompson in GB) and others still where a true 'partnership' model seems to be in place (Colbert/Tomlin in Pittsburgh)....

    You will notice that teams in each of the three categories I have mentioned have had success and won SuperBowls - no model is really better than any other - but, as Thomas started off his article, solidarity is the key.

    The interesting thing about his point is he dilutes it himself - if there IS solidarity (which he says is the key), then having a coach nominally report to a FM who manages all of the reporting to the board/ceo etc would not be a problem...after all, everyone in the footy dept is on the same page so no problem. But when/if relationships fracture - trouble.

    Interestingly, Thomas reported direct to the Saints board and the relationship he had with the (then) president dissolved leading to his dismissal...back to his original point, if you cannot maintain effective working relationships with those around you then the club is doomed regardless of the departmental structure.
    What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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    Re: Eade sacking a lapdog approach

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    if you cannot maintain effective working relationships with those around you then the club is doomed regardless of the departmental structure.
    Relationships are never perfect, structure is an important framework for how they operate
    If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

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    Re: Eade sacking a lapdog approach

    Working relationships are obviously never perfect but the structure no matter how good it is will always fail if there is no trust and respect.

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    Re: Eade sacking a lapdog approach

    Is fantasia an ex player?
    You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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    Re: Eade sacking a lapdog approach

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Dog View Post
    Is fantasia an ex player?
    Unsure of his playing career but this is his admin career.


    2007: General Manager, Game Development - South Australian National Football League

    1995-2006: Recruiting Manager - Adelaide Football Club

    1991-1995: State Development Director - South Australian National Football League

    1993-1999: State of Origin Football Manager (Honorary Position) - South Australian National Football League

    1988-1991: Technical and Development Manager - Norwood Football Club

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    Re: Eade sacking a lapdog approach

    Quote Originally Posted by azabob View Post
    Unsure of his playing career but this is his admin career.


    2007: General Manager, Game Development - South Australian National Football League

    1995-2006: Recruiting Manager - Adelaide Football Club

    1991-1995: State Development Director - South Australian National Football League

    1993-1999: State of Origin Football Manager (Honorary Position) - South Australian National Football League

    1988-1991: Technical and Development Manager - Norwood Football Club
    That is an impressive CV.
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    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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    Re: Eade sacking a lapdog approach

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    That is an impressive CV.
    When you read it all together like that yes it is.

    I know he and Eade had only a "working relationship" and it was by the sounds of it getting worse by the day.

    Eade and Rose also had issues, apparently Eade and Rose's relationship started to repair once Fantasia came on board.

    Wonder if the strained relationship between Eade and his bosses (Rose / Fantasia) mainly to do with the lack of spending on the football department or was there other clashes?

    I guess we will never know.

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    Re: Eade sacking a lapdog approach

    Quote Originally Posted by mjp View Post
    Interestingly, Thomas reported direct to the Saints board and the relationship he had with the (then) president dissolved leading to his dismissal...back to his original point, if you cannot maintain effective working relationships with those around you then the club is doomed regardless of the departmental structure.
    This is the cancer the club failed to eliminate. It spread leading to the sacking of Eade. That's a leadership issue.

    One thing which concerns me is Garlick as CEO. We went from Rose and experienced CEO to Garlick, an executive manager with no CEO experience. That spells trouble. In strong organisations this scenario can work, becsause the systems and structures exist to prevent the CEO from f*cking it all up. The Bulldogs historically ahve never had this. It wasn't until the Rose era that we were even close to being professional at a management level. We talk about the Rhodes era as the cheap as chips coach option, not sure on Garlick's salary, but I get the impression that our current CEO may also have been a little like this.

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    Re: Eade sacking a lapdog approach

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Dog View Post
    Is fantasia an ex player?
    Played with Norwood

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