Get what your saying Ledge. As Hawthorn proved though you have to give up something good to get something good. And I do not think we can rely on draft to fill the gaps with ready made players. So folks asking what players are worth is not treachery, I think it is the reality of afl as a business. Not sure many if any of us want to get rid of a lot of the list at all. We need midfield speed, another KPB and we need a little polish right round the ground. We possibly also need a ruckman who can compete with monsters.I think our forward line is not so bad if TBoyd can return successfully and if we play him there. I think with some really good trading we can compete well in'18, especially given we will have an easier draw. Oh, and lots of marking and goal kicking practice in the off-season too. Go Dogs!!