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Re: Dustin Martin
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
It's interesting but somewhat predictable to read so many Richmond supporters defending Martin's actions. It seems many of them think she should have never requested him to quieten down and that act alone somehow forced Martins actions.
Given I was reading the lady in question is upset with the way the AFL have been handling the investigation and that in her opinion they are trying to get her to water down her comments I suspect we won't see much of a penalty coming Martin's way.
I think there is a fair chance that the penalty will now be a couple of NAB cup games and a fine.
Does the fact the woman is a channel 7 employee, and she went directly to the club to seek some sort of penalty, change the story?
Personally I cannot stand Dustin Martin, but someone has the right the innocent until proven guilty. And I don't trust reporters, or Richmond, or the AFL for that matter.
You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus
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Re: Dustin Martin
Originally Posted by
Ghost Dog
Does the fact the woman is a channel 7 employee, and she went directly to the club to seek some sort of penalty, change the story?
Personally I cannot stand Dustin Martin, but someone has the right the innocent until proven guilty. And I don't trust reporters, or Richmond, or the AFL for that matter.
How does it change the story? Going to a persons place of employment is becoming quite common.
Should be sacked but with the money involved that ain't happen, hopefully 12 month suspension
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Re: Dustin Martin
I read somewhere that the person has withdrawn their allegation, is that right?
They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.
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Re: Dustin Martin
It's time for the AFL to walk the talk, says White Ribbon
AFL players charged with violence against women should be stood down from playing or training until the matter is resolved, White Ribbon Australia says.
Chief executive Libby Davies made it clear she could not comment on individual players or cases, but speaking in general terms she said the AFL still had a way to go to demonstrate consistency on these matters, regardless of the quality of the player.
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Re: Dustin Martin
Originally Posted by
Ghost Dog
Does the fact the woman is a channel 7 employee, and she went directly to the club to seek some sort of penalty, change the story?
Personally I cannot stand Dustin Martin, but someone has the right the innocent until proven guilty. And I don't trust reporters, or Richmond, or the AFL for that matter.
If he has apologised for his actions I don't think there is any doubt to her story. I've also seen some grainey snapchat footage and a mate was trying to pull him back.
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Re: Dustin Martin
Originally Posted by
Twodogs
I read somewhere that the person has withdrawn their allegation, is that right?
News to me
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Re: Dustin Martin
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
News to me
I haven't heard anymore about it and there's nothing on any of the news services. I must have heard wrong.
They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.
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Re: Dustin Martin
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
If he has apologised for his actions I don't think there is any doubt to her story. I've also seen some grainey snapchat footage and a mate was trying to pull him back.
Players have the right to due process, like everyone else. Many had hung Majak Daw out to dry before he was given his day in court. Innocent until proven guilty was the way. Without a doubt Dustin Martin is villan most likely. One would hope he would have the courage to self-ban himself, if true. Put his hand up, 'yes I did the wrong thing', have a break. Hoping too much I guess. A gesture of a donation towards Anti-violence campaign might be a smart move.
Ugly player, my vote for biggest 'tool' persona in AFL, personally speaking. However, nobody else is banned from going to work while they are under investigation. Why does White Ribbon think AFL players should be otherwise?
You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus
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Re: Dustin Martin
Originally Posted by
Ghost Dog
Players have the right to due process, like everyone else. Many had hung Majak Daw out to dry before he was given his day in court. Innocent until proven guilty was the way. Without a doubt Dustin Martin is villan most likely. One would hope he would have the courage to self-ban himself, if true. Put his hand up, 'yes I did the wrong thing', have a break. Hoping too much I guess. A gesture of a donation towards Anti-violence campaign might be a smart move.
Ugly player, my vote for biggest 'tool' persona in AFL, personally speaking. However, nobody else is banned from going to work while they are under investigation. Why does White Ribbon think AFL players should be otherwise?
As an example Daw claimed he was innocent. Martin however has apologised so therefore in my opinion his guilt has been established.
Had he come out and said I never made that threatening gesture then yes he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
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14-12-2015, 01:13 AM
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Re: Dustin Martin
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
As an example Daw claimed he was innocent. Martin however has apologised so therefore in my opinion his guilt has been established.
Had he come out and said I never made that threatening gesture then yes he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe, but exactly how serious was the threat, which relates to the punishment? It's really up to a thorough investigation to determine by an independent party. By going to the club, how is it supposed to be independent? can't imagine a situation where if someone threatened to kill me, I would go to their employer.
Last edited by Ghost Dog; 14-12-2015 at 01:50 AM.
You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus
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14-12-2015, 03:50 AM
#101
Re: Dustin Martin
Originally Posted by
Ghost Dog
Maybe, but exactly how serious was the threat, which relates to the punishment? It's really up to a thorough investigation to determine by an independent party. By going to the club, how is it supposed to be independent? can't imagine a situation where if someone threatened to kill me, I would go to their employer.
He had a mate trying to pull him back from the confrontation. At the very least his mate saw it as serious.
I get the point you are making but the evidence is overwhelming at this stage. Had Martin chosen to challenge even part of her of her claims I'd take a more wait and see approach. Hopefully the police are involved now.
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14-12-2015, 03:58 AM
#102
Re: Dustin Martin
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
He had a mate trying to pull him back from the confrontation. At the very least his mate saw it as serious.
I get the point you are making but the evidence is overwhelming at this stage. Had Martin chosen to challenge even part of her of her claims I'd take a more wait and see approach. Hopefully the police are involved now.
Fair enough - I see your point too, but prefer to leave it to the professionals. Not seen any video yet either. That guy is just begging for a big slice of humble pie. stoopid. I just hate it when AFL footballers get treated differently from ordinary people. Why should they?
You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus
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14-12-2015, 08:50 AM
#103
Re: Dustin Martin
Originally Posted by
Ghost Dog
Fair enough - I see your point too, but prefer to leave it to the professionals. Not seen any video yet either. That guy is just begging for a big slice of humble pie. stoopid. I just hate it when AFL footballers get treated differently from ordinary people. Why should they?
Had this discussion with my 2 brothers who know Dustin quite well and played the poor victim card like this. The fact he's an AFL footballer has kept him out if big trouble on more than one occasion. He's no victim here, the girl he threatened is. Hes just another idiot who thinks they're above the law because they play AFL football. It's time the AFL stepped up and made some tough decisions to change the poor culture which us hidden away under lock and key.
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14-12-2015, 10:30 PM
#104
Re: Dustin Martin
And there is the Stereosonic factor.
Officially on the Bus-wagon
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14-12-2015, 11:38 PM
#105
Re: Dustin Martin
Originally Posted by
F'scary
And there is the Stereosonic factor.
I haven't been to one for very very good reasons. Way too many heroes.