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Hindsight: Stewart Crameri
With regard to another thread bringing up the trade, my mind goes back to this board at the time where I think we topped over 1,000 posts in a single thread about Crameri before the trade went through. Which is still a woof record for a thread on a player for another club.
One of themes was 'buyer beware' with regard to possible suspension and whether he could get back. The other aspect post trade was our generous offer to them of pick 26 despite Crameri publicly saying he was wanting out, which landed them their next captain in Zak Merrett.
Now in the last year of his contract, and with at least another month off with this hip problem and a year on the sidelines (having knocked back a slap of the wrist deal), using our powers of hindsight, where do we see this trade now? What do we need to see to make it either a) A complete success or b) A complete failure?
Last edited by bulldogtragic; 17-05-2017 at 03:25 PM.
Reason: Added 'before the trade went through'
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Re: Hindsight: Stewart Crameri
It is unfortunately a loss for us and foisted on us by that coach.
Hindsight is easy and we would have a better outcome to have forced the issue and not traded with Essendon.
The other thing from hindsight is how much quality was available in that draft. It would have been difficult not to pick a quality player and Merrett would really add to any side.
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Re: Hindsight: Stewart Crameri
Same as a saw it when we did it, a silly trade that gave up far too much for a player in such a risky position.
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Re: Hindsight: Stewart Crameri
Originally Posted by
Bulldog Joe
The other thing from hindsight is how much quality was available in that draft. It would have been difficult not to pick a quality player and Merrett would really add to any side.
Players taken from pick 26 to our next pick - Fuller. Some decent names
Zach Merrett
Sean Lemmens
Lewis Taylor
Rory Lobb
Trent Dumont
Malcolm Karpany
George Hewett
Tom Cutler
Nick Robertson
Toby Nankervis
Jarrad Jansen
Alex Pearce
Dayle Garlett
Cameron Giles
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jake Kolodjashnij
Last edited by Topdog; 17-05-2017 at 03:46 PM.
Reason: just realised we had pick 42 with Fuller
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Re: Hindsight: Stewart Crameri
Originally Posted by
Topdog
Same as a saw it when we did it, a silly trade that gave up far too much for a player in such a risky position.
Yeah pretty much. Said at the time we should have played hard ball and gotten him to walk for nothing, and that he wasn't/isn't worth the amount we paid. A stupid trade made at the whim of a terrible coach.
I know retrospective drafting is a fool's science, but it really burns seeing Zach Merrett running around.
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Re: Hindsight: Stewart Crameri
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
Yeah pretty much. Said at the time we should have played hard ball and gotten him to walk for nothing, and that he wasn't/isn't worth the amount we paid. A stupid trade made at the whim of a terrible coach.
I know retrospective drafting is a fool's science, but it really burns seeing Zach Merrett running around.
Why? Who's to say we would have picked him? We could have picked Malcolm Karpany.
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Re: Hindsight: Stewart Crameri
Originally Posted by
comrade
Why? Who's to say we would have picked him? We could have picked Malcolm Karpany.
The point is that it's a serious asset to give up, and that Essendon picked such a good player is only further evidence to that.
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Originally Posted by
Topdog
Players taken from pick 26 to our next pick - Honeychurch. Some decent names
Zach Merrett
Sean Lemmens
Lewis Taylor
Rory Lobb
Trent Dumont
Malcolm Karpany
George Hewett
Tom Cutler
Nick Robertson
Toby Nankervis
Jarrad Jansen
Alex Pearce
Dayle Garlett
Cameron Giles
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jake Kolodjashnij
Matt Fuller
Tom Barrass
Aliir Aliir
Mitchell Harvey
Riley Knight
Ben Brown
Dylan Main
Nathan Gordon
Nick Holman
Darcy Byrne-Jones
Josh Walker
Orazio Fantasia
James Sicily
Jayden Hunt
Brady Grey
John Ceglar
Our next pick was Fuller.
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Re: Hindsight: Stewart Crameri
I don't think anything will make the trade either a complete success or complete failure.
Pretty good output from him in years 1 & 2 of his contract. In the year he missed, we win the premiership. Once he gets back, we'll see if he can do enough to win himself another contract with us.
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Originally Posted by
Ozza
I don't think anything will make the trade either a complete success or complete failure.
Pretty good output from him in years 1 & 2 of his contract. In the year he missed, we win the premiership. Once he gets back, we'll see if he can do enough to win himself another contract with us.
Agreed. He has been a valuable player and kicked plenty of goals. May have cost a bit but who cares, we got a goal kicker.
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Re: Hindsight: Stewart Crameri
Am I the only one who thinks the initial posts are a little heartless, given Stewart is about to undergo surgery which will see a further period on the sidelines. I for one wish him well for a speedy recovery and return to the team.
I must confess there are times when I feel some disquiet regarding some of the posts I read here.
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Re: Hindsight: Stewart Crameri
Originally Posted by
Jeanette54
Am I the only one who thinks the initial posts are a little heartless, given Stewart is about to undergo surgery which will see a further period on the sidelines. I for one wish him well for a speedy recovery and return to the team.
I must confess there are times when I feel some disquiet regarding some of the posts I read here.
Support for the team is one thing, but support for the individuals who make up the team is also an essential.
I dont understand this to be honest. I support big Stew and will do so as long as he is associated with the club but I do query the trade and the decisions made at that time.
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We should have played hardball with Essendon with Stewie.
I'm all for maintaining healthy trading relationships, but they're a different beast .
In particular the vile that was coming from the mouths of people there about him .
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Re: Hindsight: Stewart Crameri
Worse still was trading Brian Lake for a pick upgrade to a club desperate for a key defender on day 1 of the trade period.
Did we overpay for Crameri? Marginally, but we got solid service in his first 2 years when we had very little up forward. He has had an awful start to 2017, but I am surprised at those who are writing him off so quickly. Get his hip right, return to play and then discuss his progress/contract.
It's been far from a disaster.
I'm much more annoyed that we took Fuller over some bloody good footballers.
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The Lake deal was much worse than this but then you look at the Hawks clearing Mitchell & Lewis for peanuts and it's hard to really pinpoint what's bad and what's not these days.
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