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13-08-2017, 02:29 PM
#211
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
I'm still filthy on Greene for what he did. I hate the 'if it was another player would it change your view' argument. Simply thats rubbish because no other player has ever done that & that says a lot about Greene! He is without doubt the dirtiest player of the modern era. There is no doubt in my mind it was a deliberate act. You're talking about a guy who still maintains he was trying to punch the ball in the Daniel incident last time we played them.
He is a filthy mongrel & always looking for ways to get around the rules to still hurt players & i can't think of another player who has ever done this.
Part of his punishment should be to drop him off in the middle of Whitten Oval & let us members pay the club for a crack. I'd be first in line & would be happy to pay 4 figures to get a piece.
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13-08-2017, 03:21 PM
#212
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
I'm still digesting Nathan Brown saying a boot to the face is no different to a foot in the back, and Chris Judd claiming it is a natural part of jumping. Must be why it happens every game.
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13-08-2017, 03:28 PM
#213
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
Originally Posted by
anfo27
I'm still filthy on Greene for what he did. I hate the 'if it was another player would it change your view' argument. Simply thats rubbish because no other player has ever done that & that says a lot about Greene! He is without doubt the dirtiest player of the modern era. There is no doubt in my mind it was a deliberate act. You're talking about a guy who still maintains he was trying to punch the ball in the Daniel incident last time we played them.
He is a filthy mongrel & always looking for ways to get around the rules to still hurt players & i can't think of another player who has ever done this.
Part of his punishment should be to drop him off in the middle of Whitten Oval & let us members pay the club for a crack. I'd be first in line & would be happy to pay 4 figures to get a piece.
Leigh Matthews did but I can't think of too many others who instead of thinking "try not to hurt other players" think "I can hurt this guy" as Greene must.
They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.
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13-08-2017, 04:08 PM
#214
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
Originally Posted by
AndrewP6
I'm still digesting Nathan Brown saying a boot to the face is no different to a foot in the back, and Chris Judd claiming it is a natural part of jumping. Must be why it happens every game.
If the MRP lets this go, then it should be open slather for every footballer to stick a boot into someone's face.
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13-08-2017, 04:22 PM
#215
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
Originally Posted by
bornadog
If the MRP lets this go, then it should be open slather for every footballer to stick a boot into someone's face.
I understand that many are upset about it and understand why, but this kind of comment doesn't help the argument.
For starters the above comment is as if players are now going to be running around sidekicking eachother in the face.
What Greene did is a mostly natural motion when jumping in our game. It is both a way to balance yourself as your body tilts backwards as you reach for the ball, and it is also an approved blocking technique in marking contests players typically use when a player is coming at them from in front.
Yes I acknowledge it wasn't a marking contest, and his boot was higher than would normally happen, but his leg was always straight, it wasn't excessively high, Dahlhaus' height and the fact he crouches over when he runs made him lower than normal and Greenes eyes were for the ball.
It is a freekick for mine, but not suspension or possibly even fine worthy. Any other player and I wouldn't question their intent, Greene has lost the benefit of the doubt by now but even then I'm putting this down to an unfortunate moment.
I imagine the AFL will now bring something out where if contact involving an outstretched leg or foot results in injury then it is punishable, in line with many of their other consequence rather than intent orientated rules.
I should leave it alone but you're not right
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13-08-2017, 04:24 PM
#216
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
Originally Posted by
soupaman
I understand that many are upset about it and understand why, but this kind of comment doesn't help the argument.
For starters the above comment is as if players are now going to be running around sidekicking eachother in the face.
What Greene did is a mostly natural motion when jumping in our game. It is both a way to balance yourself as your body tilts backwards as you reach for the ball, and it is also an approved blocking technique in marking contests players typically use when a player is coming at them from in front.
Yes I acknowledge it wasn't a marking contest, and his boot was higher than would normally happen, but his leg was always straight, it wasn't excessively high, Dahlhaus' height and the fact he crouches over when he runs made him lower than normal and Greenes eyes were for the ball.
It is a freekick for mine, but not suspension or possibly even fine worthy. Any other player and I wouldn't question their intent, Greene has lost the benefit of the doubt by now but even then I'm putting this down to an unfortunate moment.
I imagine the AFL will now bring something out where if contact involving an outstretched leg or foot results in injury then it is punishable, in line with many of their other consequence rather than intent orientated rules.
If it's mostly natural, why don't more players get kicked in the face?
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13-08-2017, 04:33 PM
#217
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
Originally Posted by
AndrewP6
If it's mostly natural, why don't more players get kicked in the face?
Perfect storm of an upright jump, Dahlhaus coming in low, timing, positioning, all that shit.
I'm saying he didn't really do anything a normal player wouldn't, that action happens all the time, it is just very rare for it to happen like that.
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13-08-2017, 04:33 PM
#218
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
Originally Posted by
soupaman
I understand that many are upset about it and understand why, but this kind of comment doesn't help the argument.
For starters the above comment is as if players are now going to be running around sidekicking eachother in the face.
What Greene did is a mostly natural motion when jumping in our game. It is both a way to balance yourself as your body tilts backwards as you reach for the ball, and it is also an approved blocking technique in marking contests players typically use when a player is coming at them from in front.
Yes I acknowledge it wasn't a marking contest, and his boot was higher than would normally happen, but his leg was always straight, it wasn't excessively high, Dahlhaus' height and the fact he crouches over when he runs made him lower than normal and Greenes eyes were for the ball.
It is a freekick for mine, but not suspension or possibly even fine worthy. Any other player and I wouldn't question their intent, Greene has lost the benefit of the doubt by now but even then I'm putting this down to an unfortunate moment.
I imagine the AFL will now bring something out where if contact involving an outstretched leg or foot results in injury then it is punishable, in line with many of their other consequence rather than intent orientated rules.
I have heard a number of ex media scribes say, "but he had eyes for the ball", I call that defence crap. Greene received a handball, and knew he was going to get crunched by Dahl with a tackle, so he stretched his foot out to stop Dahl. You don't think he has peripheral vision to see a player rushing at him? You can't kick a player in the face with your studs open - full stop. Just like when players accidently bump someone in the head and these days it is not just a free kick, but also a suspension.
Greene could easily have bent his knee for protection, but his sole purpose was to stop the tackle, however, he did that with no due care for the other player, totally unnecessary to stretch his leg. Take a closer look.
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13-08-2017, 04:42 PM
#219
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
Originally Posted by
bornadog
I have heard a number of ex media scribes say, "but he had eyes for the ball", I call that defence crap. Greene received a handball, and knew he was going to get crunched by Dahl with a tackle, so he stretched his foot out to stop Dahl. You don't think he has peripheral vision to see a player rushing at him? You can't kick a player in the face with your studs open - full stop. Just like when players accidently bump someone in the head and these days it is not just a free kick, but also a suspension.
Greene could easily have bent his knee for protection, but his sole purpose was to stop the tackle, however, he did that with no due care for the other player, totally unnecessary to stretch his leg. Take a closer look.
That's what I'm saying with my last bit. Along the line with all the other AFL rules where if the player gets injured accept the consequences, if not play on.
But as it stands there is no rule for this particular scenario other than high contact, which the free was paid for.
As for the rest I agree with you, he did put his foot out to stop Dahlhaus. But that was not an unreasonable or necessarily malicious action, and the resulting impact while unfortunate was not necessarily deliberate.
I should leave it alone but you're not right
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13-08-2017, 04:47 PM
#220
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
Originally Posted by
soupaman
That's what I'm saying with my last bit. Along the line with all the other AFL rules where if the player gets injured accept the consequences, if not play on.
But as it stands there is no rule for this particular scenario other than high contact, which the free was paid for.
As for the rest I agree with you, he did put his foot out to stop Dahlhaus. But that was not an unreasonable or necessarily malicious action, and the resulting impact while unfortunate was not necessarily deliberate.
There is a rule, the head must be protected. Dahl received a staple to his face.
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13-08-2017, 04:50 PM
#221
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
Originally Posted by
bornadog
There is a rule, the head must be protected. Dahl received a staple to his face.
And he got a free for it. As he should have.
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13-08-2017, 04:58 PM
#222
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
Originally Posted by
soupaman
I understand that many are upset about it and understand why, but this kind of comment doesn't help the argument.
For starters the above comment is as if players are now going to be running around sidekicking eachother in the face.
What Greene did is a mostly natural motion when jumping in our game. It is both a way to balance yourself as your body tilts backwards as you reach for the ball, and it is also an approved blocking technique in marking contests players typically use when a player is coming at them from in front.
Yes I acknowledge it wasn't a marking contest, and his boot was higher than would normally happen, but his leg was always straight, it wasn't excessively high, Dahlhaus' height and the fact he crouches over when he runs made him lower than normal and Greenes eyes were for the ball.
It is a freekick for mine, but not suspension or possibly even fine worthy. Any other player and I wouldn't question their intent, Greene has lost the benefit of the doubt by now but even then I'm putting this down to an unfortunate moment.
I imagine the AFL will now bring something out where if contact involving an outstretched leg or foot results in injury then it is punishable, in line with many of their other consequence rather than intent orientated rules.
This is rubbish soupaman! in 30 odd years of watching this game i've never seen a player jumping up to receive a handball lift his leg up like that. Now i now Greene is a super player but you can't tell me he has super jumping skills & was jumping higher to receive a handball then any other player in the history of the game? I ask you how is this a natural act when no other player has ever done this?
I have seen a lot of hospital handballs in my time & have never seen this happen. If he gets off you can bet on it that every player who is jumping to receive a hospital handpass will be kicking people in the chest so they don't give away a free kick for high contact. I don't want to see that rubbish in our game.
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13-08-2017, 05:00 PM
#223
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
I propose an argument that putting your foot into someone's face to stop them is completely unreasonable (and highly reckless, and extremely dangerous).
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13-08-2017, 05:05 PM
#224
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
Originally Posted by
soupaman
And he got a free for it. As he should have.
How many suspensions have there been for hitting a player in the head? Plenty, these days it is not just a free kick anymore. I am not talking about the hit that does little damage, I am talking where blood is drawn, concussion etc Don't forget the umpire has reported him, so it wasn't just a free kick.
Anyway, we will find out tomorrow.
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13-08-2017, 05:12 PM
#225
Re: AFL Game Day Round 21, 2017 - Western Bulldogs V GWS Giants
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
I hope that our fan that tipped the beer over Greene gets a long ban from attending AFL games. Weak act
Why waste a good beer on that scum