Who is not in the Hall of Fame that should be?

[Axe Man]

I thought Longmire was the youngest?

Never kicked 100, kicked 98 as a 19 year old though.

Perhaps Templeton was the youngest to kick 100 at the time because I think Lockett and Franklin were both slightly younger when they kicked theirs.

[Twodogs]

Never kicked 100, kicked 98 as a 19 year old though.

Perhaps Templeton was the youngest to kick 100 at the time because I think Lockett and Franklin were both slightly younger when they kicked theirs.

I looked up the ages. Templeton was the youngest at the time at 21 years and 316 days, Buddy was 21/207 the day he kicked his first century and Plugger was 21/152 days when he kicked his first century so that leaves Lockett as the current youngest century goalkicker.

[Twodogs]

Yesterday in the Herald Sun there was a team of players who's career was ended or limited because they had done a knee. And guess who wasn't in the team. Not at Full Forward but Coleman was selected there so no complaints about that. However was KT at CHF, where he became the first forward to win the Brownlow, no of course he wasn't. David Neitz was. I'd forgotten all about the fifteen Coleman and the twenty five Brownlow medals that Neitz had won.

What's that you say Skip? David Neitz didn't win any medals? Neeter wasn't fit to tie Kelvin Templeton's boots? Yeah I have to agree with you there, it is an insult to Templeton that Neitz gets selected ahead of him and typical of the media to overlook him again.

[westdog54]

Yesterday in the Herald Sun there was a team of players who's career was ended or limited because they had done a knee. And guess who wasn't in the team. Not at Full Forward but Coleman was selected there so no complaints about that. However was KT at CHF, where he became the first forward to win the Brownlow, no of course he wasn't. David Neitz was. I'd forgotten all about the fifteen Coleman and the twenty five Brownlow medals that Neitz had won.

What's that you say Skip? David Neitz didn't win any medals? Neeter wasn't fit to tie Kelvin Templeton's boots? Yeah I have to agree with you there, it is an insult to Templeton that Neitz gets selected ahead of him and typical of the media to overlook him again.

That is absolutely *!*!*!*!ing astounding.

[Twodogs]

That is absolutely *!*!*!*!ing astounding.

It's the casual ignorance that shits me. These people aren't even in a place where they understand just how *!*!*!*!ing wrong they are. It's rude apart from anything else-do your research instead of making reaches like that.


It's annoying that we aren't even in a position to understand that KT should be in the HOF AT THE VERY LEAST

[westdog54]

It's the casual ignorance that shits me. These people aren't even in a place where they understand just how *!*!*!*!ing wrong they are. It's rude apart from anything else-do your research instead of making reaches like that.


It's annoying that we aren't even in a position to understand that KT should be in the HOF AT THE VERY LEAST

Just out of curiosity, who assembled the team?

[Twodogs]

Just out of curiosity, who assembled the team?

Jon Anderson wrote the accompanying article. It was mainly about Peter Seward the ex-North Melbourne player who did his knee back in the grim days when it usually meant career over. So either Jon Anderson or the work experience kid.

[Axe Man]

Yesterday in the Herald Sun there was a team of players who's career was ended or limited because they had done a knee. And guess who wasn't in the team. Not at Full Forward but Coleman was selected there so no complaints about that. However was KT at CHF, where he became the first forward to win the Brownlow, no of course he wasn't. David Neitz was. I'd forgotten all about the fifteen Coleman and the twenty five Brownlow medals that Neitz had won.

What's that you say Skip? David Neitz didn't win any medals? Neeter wasn't fit to tie Kelvin Templeton's boots? Yeah I have to agree with you there, it is an insult to Templeton that Neitz gets selected ahead of him and typical of the media to overlook him again.

The team is just ACL victims, not players who's careers ended or were limited. Did Templeton do an ACL or was it something else? I can't find the answer.

A CHAMPION TEAM OF ACL VICTIMS
B: Mark Thompson, Alex Rance, Peter Steward

HB: Neale Daniher, Glen Jakovich, Robert Murphy

C: Doug Hawkins, Keith Greig, Michael Turner

HF: Sam Kekovich, David Schwarz, Robert Harvey

F: Peter Daicos, Peter Hudson, Jason Dunstall

R: Paul Salmon, Tim Watson, Tony Liberatore

[Twodogs]

The team is just ACL victims, not players who's careers ended or were limited. Did Templeton do an ACL or was it something else? I can't find the answer.

A CHAMPION TEAM OF ACL VICTIMS
B: Mark Thompson, Alex Rance, Peter Steward

HB: Neale Daniher, Glen Jakovich, Robert Murphy

C: Doug Hawkins, Keith Greig, Michael Turner

HF: Sam Kekovich, David Schwarz, Robert Harvey

F: Peter Daicos, Peter Hudson, Jason Dunstall

R: Paul Salmon, Tim Watson, Tony Liberatore

KT sure did do an ACL. He did it at at the age of 22 in a preseason game when a Melbourne player fell on him in his very first game after winning the Brownlow the year before. Although he played a few games after he was never the same again and just hobbled around on one leg. With all due respect if our own supporters don't remember or stand up for our own and lionise the champions of our club then I despair for the future of our club, I really do. To paraphrase if we forget about the past then our future is up the spout too.


Anyway, why would we constantly bang on about how good he was if he wasn't any good (or at least better than Neitz?) The fact of the matter is there are much worse players in the HOF (and even in the Legends) than Kelvin Templeton. They don't just hand out Coleman and Brownlow medals and KT had 3 of them by the age of 22 when his career was effectively over.

[Axe Man]

KT sure did do an ACL. He did it at at the age of 22 in a preseason game when a Melbourne player fell on him in his very first game after winning the Brownlow the year before. Although he played a few games after he was never the same again and just hobbled around on one leg. With all due respect if our own supporters don't remember or stand up for our own and lionise the champions of our club then I despair for the future of our club, I really do. To paraphrase if we forget about the past then our future is up the spout too.


Anyway, why would we constantly bang on about how good he was if he wasn't any good (or at least better than Neitz?) The fact of the matter is there are much worse players in the HOF (and even in the Legends) than Kelvin Templeton. They don't just hand out Coleman and Brownlow medals and KT had 3 of them by the age of 22 when his career was effectively over.

I never saw Templeton play so can only really go by what was been written and clearly he was a champion until he did his knee.

Not disagreeing with the Hall of Fame thing at all. Just seeking to clarify if he did an ACL because all I can find is that he did a serious knee injury in the pre season comp in 1981. He played in round 17 that year so if it was an ACL it was a very quick comeback.

[bornadog]

I never saw Templeton play so can only really go by what was been written and clearly he was a champion until he did his knee.

Not disagreeing with the Hall of Fame thing at all. Just seeking to clarify if he did an ACL because all I can find is that he did a serious knee injury in the pre season comp in 1981. He played in round 17 that year so if it was an ACL it was a very quick comeback.

You have probably seen this:

[Twodogs]

I never saw Templeton play so can only really go by what was been written and clearly he was a champion until he did his knee.

Not disagreeing with the Hall of Fame thing at all. Just seeking to clarify if he did an ACL because all I can find is that he did a serious knee injury in the pre season comp in 1981. He played in round 17 that year so if it was an ACL it was a very quick comeback.

Fair enough, I tend to get a bit gung-ho when it comes to KT. The Colemans and the Brownlow (that he won playing in some shocking teams) alone should be enough for entry to the HOF at least. Then when you take a deep dive into his figures they only improve his case.

Take 1978 for instance. He kicks 118.65 out of a team total of 333.227 in 21 games at the age of 21. in 1979 it's 91.62 out of 289.248. 1980 in addition to playing centre half forward and winning the Brownlow he still kicks 75.33 out of a team total of 301.214. In 78/79 when he played exclusively at full forward he scored a total of 34.09 % of all our goals and averaged nealy 5 goals a game. Then in year 3 he plays in a different position and wins the Brownlow. He also kicked 82.39 out of 299.242 (27.42%) in 1976 as a 19 yo!

Could you imagine what we would be saying if we had a 19 yo kid who kicked 75 goals in 2015, had his next year ruined by injury (obviously then we'd be saying that's typical) but bounced back with 118 goals in 2017 as a 21 yo, followed up with 91 and another Coleman in 2018 and then won a Brownlow as well as kicking 75 goals from CHF this year? We'd be saying "Wayne Carey who?" We certainly shouldn't be laid back and comfortable with David Neitz getting picked in any teams KT qualifies for ahead of him. To me it says that if we are overlooking him for teams like that then Kelvin is a long way back in discussions for a spot in the HOF and frankly the fact that KT isn't in the HOF is a scandal.

So 82 goals in 1976 at the age of 19. 1977 was a year ruined by injury and illness so we can ignore that, although his 40 goals in 9 games (4.44) won the club goalkicking. 118 goals in 1978 wins the Coleman. 91 goals in 19 games in 1979 wins another Coleman and then in his last season at full fitness he kicks 75 goals from CHF and wins the Brownlow.

As a comparison John Coleman's 2 best years were his first 2 1949 and 1950. Even though they were his first 2 years he was still a year older than KT who was 17 on his debut in 1974. For his best years for goalkicking Coleman was 20/21 and in Templeton's best years for goalkicking he was 19/20 and both had birthdays after the season ended. Anyway in 49/50 Coleman kicks 220 goals in 40 games at an average at 5.5 while in 78/79 KT kicks 209 goals in 43 games (4.86) but Coleman played in a premiership team and a runners up while Kelvin;s teams finished 11th and 9th (in a 12 team comp.) Coleman's teams won 33 games and lost 7 in 48/49 while Footscray went 14 and 30 in 78/79.

That's a four year body of work (not including 1977) that it would be hard to find another other player in the history of the comp bettering. Even with the injured year of 1977 in he still has 406 goals over that five years period (where he played injured one year and played at CHF in another) at a very respectable average of 4.18.

Anyway that's his playing career. Would you like me to outline all of his achievements as the CEO of the Sydney Swans? The fact that he did more to make sure the Swans were on a solid financial footing when they were facing oblivion and the appointment of Barassi as coach? Not to mention the fact that as a footballer administrator the cache he would have bought to them as a Coleman/Brownlow medalist and the doors that would have opened for them must have been invaluable.


As an addendum. When he did his knee and virtually ended his career Kelvin Templeton was roughly the same age as Marcus Bontempelli is now. Could you imagine the fuss we would make of Marcus if he had won a brownlow and two Colemans by now-we'd be calling him the GOAT and not many could argue with that claim. Marcus is 2 cms taller than KT is and would have played almost exclusively as a tall forward in the 70s/80s.

[bornadog]

KT sure did do an ACL. He did it at at the age of 22 in a preseason game when a Melbourne player fell on him in his very first game after winning the Brownlow the year before. Although he played a few games after he was never the same again and just hobbled around on one leg. With all due respect if our own supporters don't remember or stand up for our own and lionise the champions of our club then I despair for the future of our club, I really do. To paraphrase if we forget about the past then our future is up the spout too.


Anyway, why would we constantly bang on about how good he was if he wasn't any good (or at least better than Neitz?) The fact of the matter is there are much worse players in the HOF (and even in the Legends) than Kelvin Templeton. They don't just hand out Coleman and Brownlow medals and KT had 3 of them by the age of 22 when his career was effectively over.

Pretty sure he did his knee with minutes to go in the preseason cup match.