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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
Originally Posted by
jeemak
Trengove would have just given free kicks away on a few of the contests that Cordy lost without giving away a free kick.
It's actually OK to acknowledge that Walker can play good games from time to time, Shane Ellen kicked five in a GF once, anything is possible and much of Walker's ball wasn't Cordy's issue to start with and he had no aerial support when he should have against a much heavier opponent.
I mean I genuinely read a comment lamenting Cordy being five metres in front of his opponent on a fast break, where he almost impacted a spoil but was only in a position to test the umpires hand. If he played side by side or behind he'd have been lead to the ball and it would have been a certain goal. The guy can't take a trick in the minds of some, with that contest being the most obvious of how seriously poor some of our judgements of him are.
Good defencive units hide the exposed weaknesses of their team mates, we didn't do that for Cordy today (in fact Hunter actually did 20% of the damage himself). With that in mind we wouldn't have done it for Trengove either and Walker would have been stronger than him as well. Our efforts these next two weeks can't be about shedding one player for another to fix that, they need to be focused around defending better as a team.
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I don't know man, Cordy was really poor today against an opponent in terrible form and was lost in some pretty basic situations (namely Walker's last two goals). I agree that he wasn't at fault for that free kick where Tex took a slight bit of contact then took a pro wrestling bump like he was Mr. Perfect, or where he got out the back on the fast break at the end of the first quarter, but you can't tell me he didn't get muscled a couple of times where Trengove wouldn't have.
I don't know if Cordy's bad game makes Trengove a better option against the Giants, all I said was I would think on it.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
I don't know man, Cordy was really poor today against an opponent in terrible form and was lost in some pretty basic situations (namely Walker's last two goals). I agree that he wasn't at fault for that free kick where Tex took a slight bit of contact then took a pro wrestling bump like he was Mr. Perfect, or where he got out the back on the fast break at the end of the first quarter, but you can't tell me he didn't get muscled a couple of times where Trengove wouldn't have.
I don't know if Cordy's bad game makes Trengove a better option against the Giants, all I said was I would think on it.
Young was on Walker for his last 2 goals.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
I don't know man, Cordy was really poor today against an opponent in terrible form and was lost in some pretty basic situations (namely Walker's last two goals). I agree that he wasn't at fault for that free kick where Tex took a slight bit of contact then took a pro wrestling bump like he was Mr. Perfect, or where he got out the back on the fast break at the end of the first quarter, but you can't tell me he didn't get muscled a couple of times where Trengove wouldn't have.
I don't know if Cordy's bad game makes Trengove a better option against the Giants, all I said was I would think on it.
Cordy kicked two terrific goals against GWS to get the Dogs into the Grand Final in 2016. He kicked the first goal in that premiership win. He started as a forward averaging a goal a game.
Yet he has been consistently used as a key defender who is getting big scores kicked against him. Darling 6, Curnow 7 got season highs and there were others. And now Walker gets 5 for his season best.
When has this happened? Always in predictable situations. (Not his fault)
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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
It’s not poor judgement regarding Cordy, or he’s just all of a sudden become a whipping boy. The stats back it up. He loses around 40% of one on one contests, which is worst in the league. He’s not a natural interceptor or play maker, and his disposal is average at best. He’s a competitor and never drops his head, but I don’t see what net benefit he’s providing the side now that Young has emerged.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
Originally Posted by
jazzadogs
I think our best back 6 is:
Trengrove - Cameron
Young/Cordy - Finlayson
Wood - Himmelberg
Crozier/Duryea/JJ/Suckling - the others
Meaning that one of Young or Cordy is dropped. I'm not convinced that Trengrove is the right match up for Cameron either, but he has the smarts and positioning to minimise the leg speed deficiency. Cordy has previously been thrown forward, but I think Naughton and Schache have those spots locked down now.
I agree with the above that West/Richards/Hayes are in the gun for Dickson. I thought they all showed positive traits at times today, without any of them piecing together great games. West is the most like for like replacement, with Es and Hayes spending more time in the wing rotation from what I saw today.
Will Lachie Keith play?
Reckon that’s a potential match up for Trengove
I think Jackson has to come in - I’d say for Hayes but he did nothing wrong yesterday. Tough call
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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
Originally Posted by
Happy Days
I agree that he wasn't at fault for that free kick where Tex took a slight bit of contact then took a pro wrestling bump like he was Mr. Perfect, or where he got out the back on the fast break at the end of the first quarter
Originally Posted by
Mantis
Young was on Walker for his last 2 goals.
Originally Posted by
Danjul
Cordy kicked two terrific goals against GWS to get the Dogs into the Grand Final in 2016. He kicked the first goal in that premiership win. He started as a forward averaging a goal a game.
Yet he has been consistently used as a key defender who is getting big scores kicked against him. Darling 6, Curnow 7 got season highs and there were others. And now Walker gets 5 for his season best.
When has this happened? Always in predictable situations. (Not his fault)
Does the above change your mind at all? Doesn't sound like Tex kicked 5 on Cordy. Sounds like he kicked 2.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
Some tough calls will need to be made. Dickson needs to play if his hammy is fine. Just has too many smarts around goal not to play.
Trengove also needs to play. Big bodied and experienced.
Question is whom is omitted?
Ins: Dickson and Trengove
Outs from: West, Hayes, Richards, Young/ Cordy
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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
Originally Posted by
hujsh
Does the above change your mind at all? Doesn't sound like Tex kicked 5 on Cordy. Sounds like he kicked 2.
He was also outpointed by Chayce Jones (who?) on multiple occasions. He actually looked his most comfortable against Betts deep, and Walker when he went further up the ground. Like most weeks, when he was deep against anyone with some height, he looked vulnerable
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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
I worry about Trengove's lack of mobility on someone like Cameron. And think Lewis Young is more suited to Himmelberg than Cameron - so I have concerns about the Trengove/Young pairing. GWS will also have Finlayson playing.
I'm glad I'm not making the decisions.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
Originally Posted by
Ozza
I worry about Trengove's lack of mobility on someone like Cameron. And think Lewis Young is more suited to Himmelberg than Cameron - so I have concerns about the Trengove/Young pairing. GWS will also have Finlayson playing.
I'm glad I'm not making the decisions.
I hope we don't decide to play Wood tall again, as the past few weeks we have seen him playing more like his old self when he doesn't have to play on some tall player.
Having said that, what do we do.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
Originally Posted by
Ozza
I worry about Trengove's lack of mobility on someone like Cameron. And think Lewis Young is more suited to Himmelberg than Cameron - so I have concerns about the Trengove/Young pairing. GWS will also have Finlayson playing.
I'm glad I'm not making the decisions.
The best match up for Cameron is Aaron Naughton.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
Originally Posted by
comrade
The best match up for Cameron is Aaron Naughton.
That is a good idea.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
Originally Posted by
bornadog
I hope we don't decide to play Wood tall again, as the past few weeks we have seen him playing more like his old self when he doesn't have to play on some tall player.
Having said that, what do we do.
I'd be more confident playing Suckling 'tall' compared to Wood.
The more I think about it, the more comfortable I am in playing 2 talls (2 of Young, JT or Cordy) and then back in our mid sized defenders to get the job in defence (with the help of the mids & forwards) and then help us rebound.. that's our strength and we need to back it in.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee RD 1, 2019 Finals vs Greater Western Sydney
Originally Posted by
Danjul
That is a good idea.
Agreed. Think it could work but who would go forward - maybe Cordy?