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02-03-2020, 03:40 PM
#196
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
Originally Posted by
hujsh
You get a statistically significant, representative sample and extrapolate. There'd be a margin of error because of course they can't survey everyone but it's probably accurate-ish enough to draw general conclusions.
I know how they do it, but personally I can't agree. How do you get to over 1 million. Are there really that many Sydney supporters out of 24 million Aussies.
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02-03-2020, 04:30 PM
#197
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
Originally Posted by
bornadog
I know how they do it, but personally I can't agree. How do you get to over 1 million. Are there really that many Sydney supporters out of 24 million Aussies.
People who say when prompted, 'I support the Swans'? Yeah I'd not be surprised if that's the case. I'd say, 'I support the Storm' but will I ever go to match or buy merchandise? No.
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02-03-2020, 05:00 PM
#198
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
Originally Posted by
hujsh
People who say when prompted, 'I support the Swans'? Yeah I'd not be surprised if that's the case. I'd say, 'I support the Storm' but will I ever go to match or buy merchandise? No.
That is why it is a crap stat
FFC: Established 1883
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02-03-2020, 05:30 PM
#199
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
Originally Posted by
hujsh
People who say when prompted, 'I support the Swans'? Yeah I'd not be surprised if that's the case. I'd say, 'I support the Storm' but will I ever go to match or buy merchandise? No.
This is true. I think the figures for the NSW and Qld teams you can take with a grain of salt but I reckon the RM figures for the Vic/SA/WA clubs are broadly accurate
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02-03-2020, 05:51 PM
#200
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
Originally Posted by
bornadog
That is why it is a crap stat
Disagree. Forget about the interstate clubs, how we compare to Melbourne teams, especially teams with similar smaller supporter bases is entirely relevant.
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02-03-2020, 09:00 PM
#201
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
Originally Posted by
Axe Man
Disagree. Forget about the interstate clubs, how we compare to Melbourne teams, especially teams with similar smaller supporter bases is entirely relevant.
It's not a perfect science but I agree wholeheartedly we also need to measure our progress against other clubs if for nothing else to learn what they might be doing better. Measuring ourselves against the previous year is probably the most important one for us.
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02-03-2020, 11:42 PM
#202
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
Originally Posted by
GVGjr
It's not a perfect science but I agree wholeheartedly we also need to measure our progress against other clubs if for nothing else to learn what they might be doing better. Measuring ourselves against the previous year is probably the most important one for us.
Best measure is member numbers and actual attendances at games.
2019 AFL Attendance |
|
Team |
Games |
Total |
Average |
Collingwood Magpies |
24 |
1,378,926 |
57,455 |
Richmond Tigers |
25 |
1,350,275 |
54,011 |
Essendon Bombers |
23 |
1,120,199 |
48,704 |
West Coast Eagles |
24 |
1,096,809 |
45,700 |
Geelong Cats |
25 |
1,074,836 |
42,993 |
Carlton Blues |
22 |
868,366 |
39,471 |
Adelaide Crows |
22 |
788,328 |
35,833 |
Hawthorn Hawks |
22 |
787,621 |
35,801 |
Fremantle Dockers |
22 |
742,420 |
33,746 |
Port Adelaide Power |
22 |
729,811 |
33,173 |
Melbourne Demons |
22 |
718,788 |
32,672 |
Western Bulldogs |
23 |
700,952 |
30,476 |
Sydney Swans |
22 |
678,483 |
30,840 |
Brisbane Lions |
24 |
662,797 |
27,617 |
GWS Giants |
26 |
659,164 |
25,352 |
St Kilda Saints |
22 |
638,253 |
29,012 |
North Melbourne Kangaroos |
22 |
603,438 |
27,429 |
Gold Coast Suns |
22 |
435,828 |
19,810 |
ALL |
207 |
7,517,647 |
36,317 |
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Attendances can also be a little deceiving as it depends on venues as well.
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03-03-2020, 12:43 PM
#203
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
Sorry if this has been mentioned, but do we have a comparison YoY compared to this time in 2019?
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
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03-03-2020, 01:00 PM
#204
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
Originally Posted by
jeemak
Sorry if this has been mentioned, but do we have a comparison YoY compared to this time in 2019?
I had a look at last years thread and there was nothing for the same time last year. This was mainly due to the club not posting up numbers.
The closest I could get was 40,000 on 1st May. Currently we are on 36,159
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03-03-2020, 02:37 PM
#205
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Best measure is member numbers and actual attendances at games.
2019 AFL Attendance |
|
Team |
Games |
Total |
Average |
Collingwood Magpies |
24 |
1,378,926 |
57,455 |
Richmond Tigers |
25 |
1,350,275 |
54,011 |
Essendon Bombers |
23 |
1,120,199 |
48,704 |
West Coast Eagles |
24 |
1,096,809 |
45,700 |
Geelong Cats |
25 |
1,074,836 |
42,993 |
Carlton Blues |
22 |
868,366 |
39,471 |
Adelaide Crows |
22 |
788,328 |
35,833 |
Hawthorn Hawks |
22 |
787,621 |
35,801 |
Fremantle Dockers |
22 |
742,420 |
33,746 |
Port Adelaide Power |
22 |
729,811 |
33,173 |
Melbourne Demons |
22 |
718,788 |
32,672 |
Western Bulldogs |
23 |
700,952 |
30,476 |
Sydney Swans |
22 |
678,483 |
30,840 |
Brisbane Lions |
24 |
662,797 |
27,617 |
GWS Giants |
26 |
659,164 |
25,352 |
St Kilda Saints |
22 |
638,253 |
29,012 |
North Melbourne Kangaroos |
22 |
603,438 |
27,429 |
Gold Coast Suns |
22 |
435,828 |
19,810 |
ALL |
207 |
7,517,647 |
36,317 |
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Attendances can also be a little deceiving as it depends on venues as well.
They're totally different figures though. One is you're immediate performance the other is the scope you have for growth in the short term and maybe long term. The memberships and attendances are more accurate (but as many have mentioned before both have big gaps as well) but they don't tell you the same thing as the supporter numbers.
They shouldn't be takes as gospel but I wouldn't outright dismiss them either.
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03-03-2020, 03:11 PM
#206
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
As much I like contrasting statistical models and what Alex Rance said or not, I must say I'm seriously hanging out for some footy.
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03-03-2020, 03:23 PM
#207
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
As much I like contrasting statistical models and what Alex Rance said or not, I must say I'm seriously hanging out for some footy.
I just want to know how we're tracking versus the same time last year.
It could be that Baines has jumped the gun through being overly ambitious, or being vocally ambitious to try and give things a kick along.
Given we surged to 47K+ in 2017 and had a couple of shockers aiming for 50k was always going to be ambitious and possibly not realistic.
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
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03-03-2020, 04:05 PM
#208
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
Originally Posted by
jeemak
I just want to know how we're tracking versus the same time last year.
It could be that Baines has jumped the gun through being overly ambitious, or being vocally ambitious to try and give things a kick along.
Given we surged to 47K+ in 2017 and had a couple of shockers aiming for 50k was always going to be ambitious and possibly not realistic.
Always loved this quote. “Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.”
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03-03-2020, 04:10 PM
#209
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
Originally Posted by
jeemak
I just want to know how we're tracking versus the same time last year.
Only the club would know as they did not publicise the figures for very long periods last year.
What I can tell you from looking at the relevant BF thread was that on 27 December 2018 we had 29,159 and then on 1 May 2019 the club announced that we had 40k.
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03-03-2020, 05:46 PM
#210
Re: 2020 WB Membership Thread - Target 50,000
Originally Posted by
bornadog
I had a look at last years thread and there was nothing for the same time last year. This was mainly due to the club not posting up numbers.
The closest I could get was 40,000 on 1st May. Currently we are on 36,159
Originally Posted by
Prince Imperial
Only the club would know as they did not publicise the figures for very long periods last year.
What I can tell you from looking at the relevant BF thread was that on 27 December 2018 we had 29,159 and then on 1 May 2019 the club announced that we had 40k.
Thanks for confirming my post
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