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Re: Bevo and our efforts
Originally Posted by
mjp
Have we though? Are we actually that talented?
There is regular "talk" about the talent on our list...but please, can someone tell me outside of Bont and maybe Naughton who would cause the opposition any concerns at match committee?
Spot on mjp I said the same thing
Originally Posted by
bornadog
I think as Bulldog supporters we always over rate our players. We think we are world beaters and have the best A graders in the AFL. I have said this over the past few years but always the coach and the MC is blamed for our poor performances. The players have to take some responsibility and stand up.
I think our recruiting hasn't been as good as it should have been over the past couple of seasons. eg: GVGjr, has spoken a lot about our efforts or lack of, to recruit another ruckman, and I remember you your self said many years ago, we should always have a young ruckman either rookied or drafted as insurance.
The other area of concern in recruiting is getting another A grade mid, with some leg speed to help out on the outside. We have too many inside slow mids with Dunks, Libba, Wallis.
I want to see major culling come this end of year:
Gardner
Gowers
Greene,
Lynch,
Porter
Dickson (retired)
Lloyd (retired)
Suckling (retired)
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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Re: Bevo and our efforts
Originally Posted by
bornadog
I want to see major culling come this end of year:
Gardner
Gowers
Greene,
Lynch,
Porter
Dickson (retired)
Lloyd (retired)
Suckling (retired)
I swear we’ve been saying this each year for 3 years now
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Re: Bevo and our efforts
Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
I swear we’ve been saying this each year for 3 years now
As Gough once said " It's Time:" and maybe a few more can be added in.
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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Re: Bevo and our efforts
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Spot on mjp I said the same thing
I think our recruiting hasn't been as good as it should have been over the past couple of seasons. eg: GVGjr, has spoken a lot about our efforts or lack of, to recruit another ruckman, and I remember you your self said many years ago, we should always have a young ruckman either rookied or drafted as insurance.
The other area of concern in recruiting is getting another A grade mid, with some leg speed to help out on the outside. We have too many inside slow mids with Dunks, Libba, Wallis.
I want to see major culling come this end of year:
Gardner
Gowers
Greene,
Lynch,
Porter
Dickson (retired)
Lloyd (retired)
Suckling (retired)
Lloyd is contracted until the end of next season. Also a bit rough retiring our leading goal kicker from last season on the basis on one bad game (not counting round 1, not much the forwards could do).
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Re: Bevo and our efforts
Originally Posted by
Axe Man
Lloyd is contracted until the end of next season. Also a bit rough retiring our leading goal kicker from last season on the basis on one bad game (not counting round 1, not much the forwards could do).
Actually three bad games. But that is not the reason, I was looking at his use by date (31 next season) and trying to give younger players a go.
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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Re: Bevo and our efforts
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Actually three bad games. But that is not the reason, I was looking at his use by date (31 next season) and trying to give younger players a go.
We fielded the second youngest side in the league on the weekend, I don't think we need to be too eager to push everyone over 30 out the door. And I reiterate one bad game that he can take responsibility for - we were absolutely slaughtered in the middle against Collingwood and GWS - Ablett, Lockett and Carey together couldn't have salvaged those games.
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Re: Bevo and our efforts
Originally Posted by
Axe Man
We fielded the second youngest side in the league on the weekend, I don't think we need to be too eager to push everyone over 30 out the door. And I reiterate one bad game that he can take responsibility for - we were absolutely slaughtered in the middle against Collingwood and GWS - Ablett, Lockett and Carey together couldn't have salvaged those games.
If he is playing well, then fine keep him going.
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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Re: Bevo and our efforts
Originally Posted by
Axe Man
We fielded the second youngest side in the league on the weekend, I don't think we need to be too eager to push everyone over 30 out the door. And I reiterate one bad game that he can take responsibility for - we were absolutely slaughtered in the middle against Collingwood and GWS - Ablett, Lockett and Carey together couldn't have salvaged those games.
Many good thoughts and perspectives in this thread, well done Woofers. I haven't had the motivation to post much since Sunday's disappointment, but have enjoyed reading as always.
On the point of fielding the second youngest team in the competition, it annoys me that this far from our flag and our clear direction to go with youth mostly since the middle of 2017 we still find ourselves fielding such a young and inexperienced team. That we would start the season by exacerbating this by playing Gardner alongside Keath, leaving Cordy and Trengove out at the same time Wood is on the sidelines seems baffling to me, especially when an older head like Duryea is also out injured.
I guess on reflection my question is, did Bevo and the rest of the MC really think this would fly? Given what we've seen with our midfield recently, and a forward/ half forward line that doesn't have the best track record in limiting transition to ease pressure on defence, was going in with such an inexperienced combination of players (largely inexperience in playing together) an obviously silly thing to do? Yes it was.
So why did we do it? I said in a thread prior to the game or during it, or something, it seems the flag on the season has already been raised and we don't think we can make a meaningful run at the premiership. I can't think of any other reason for us not playing with a structure that is going to give us the best chance of winning.
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.
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Re: Bevo and our efforts
Originally Posted by
Axe Man
We fielded the second youngest side in the league on the weekend, I don't think we need to be too eager to push everyone over 30 out the door. And I reiterate one bad game that he can take responsibility for - we were absolutely slaughtered in the middle against Collingwood and GWS - Ablett, Lockett and Carey together couldn't have salvaged those games.
It's almost as though we believe that, since 2017, being young is more important than being the best we can be, and that our youth will somehow shield us from criticism.
Maybe our list management should be brought into question, offering Trengove a 4 year deal and not bothering to play him. Likewise Schache. Both these players (and Young) are missing out to a player picked up in the mid season draft off no pre-season with the club last year.
It's either poor list management or poor selection.
"Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"
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Re: Bevo and our efforts
Originally Posted by
jeemak
On the point of fielding the second youngest team in the competition, it annoys me that this far from our flag and our clear direction to go with youth mostly since the middle of 2017 we still find ourselves fielding such a young and inexperienced team.
We have actually lost alot of experience since the flag and in my opinion Sedat is on the money, poor list management, but I would also say poor recruiting as well in certain roles like Ruck and midfielders.
Originally Posted by
Sedat
It's either poor list management or poor selection.
On list management, well there have been some mistakes over the years when we lose good players like Hamling, Roughead, Dahl and others.
Here is a list of players with less than 20 games:
There are 16 players - far too many for my liking as not many up and coming stars.
|
Games |
Age |
Smith, Roarke R |
17 |
23yr 9mth |
Young, Lewis |
15 |
21yr 5mth |
Hayes, Will |
9 |
25yr |
Lynch, Bradley |
9 |
22yr 11mth |
Young, Lachie R |
6 |
21yr 2mth |
Greene, Fergus |
5 |
22yr 5mth |
Gardner, Ryan R |
4 |
23yr |
West, Rhylee |
3 |
19yr 11mth |
Cavarra, Ben |
1 |
24yr 5mth |
Vandermeer, Laitham |
1 |
21yr 4mth |
Butler, Louis |
0 |
18yr 9mth |
Garcia, Riley |
0 |
19yr 4mth |
Khamis, Buku R |
0 |
20yr 2mth |
Porter, Callum |
0 |
21yr 3mth |
Sweet, Jordon R |
0 |
22yr 4mth |
Weightman, Cody |
0 |
19yr 5mth |
Which players are you confident will make it. Some of these blokes have been on the list along time. Roarke, Lynch, Greene, Porter.
So we find we end upon fielding a young team because the older players are either injured, or there are no ready replacements in the 100 to 150 bracket.
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Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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Re: Bevo and our efforts
Originally Posted by
Sedat
It's almost as though we believe that, since 2017, being young is more important than being the best we can be, and that our youth will somehow shield us from criticism.
Maybe our list management should be brought into question, offering Trengove a 4 year deal and not bothering to play him. Likewise Schache. Both these players (and Young) are missing out to a player picked up in the mid season draft off no pre-season with the club last year.
It's either poor list management or poor selection.
I've grown pretty tired of Bevo trotting out the "our list has changed" line. Does he realise that he's the one who changes it? We were one of the youngest sides in the comp when we won the Premiership, then we got younger, and younger ... and 4 years on, we're still fielding one of the youngest sides in the comp. WTF is the philosophy behind it?
It's almost as if he changes his mind on the direction of our list every few months. Beginning of the year we're talking about challenging for the Premiership after recruiting Bruce and Keath, next minute we're talking about how we're a young group that's changed from last year.
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Re: Bevo and our efforts
Originally Posted by
The Bulldogs Bite
I've grown pretty tired of Bevo trotting out the "our list has changed" line. Does he realise that he's the one who changes it? We were one of the youngest sides in the comp when we won the Premiership, then we got younger, and younger ... and 4 years on, we're still fielding one of the youngest sides in the comp. WTF is the philosophy behind it?
It's almost as if he changes his mind on the direction of our list every few months. Beginning of the year we're talking about challenging for the Premiership after recruiting Bruce and Keath, next minute we're talking about how we're a young group that's changed from last year.
THIS! It's like every offseason we recruit to fill certain holes in the list. Then we see the Round 1 lineup and it's just counter to those recruiting decisions. I mean we signed Trengove to a bloody 3 or 4 year contract and refuse to play him. We went and got Bruce and Keath yet now stop playing Schache, Young and Cordy. We went and got pressure forwards in Cavarra and Weightman yet play Gowers and Dale. We've recruited some experience to compliment out ver young list yet Hunter gets suspended, Wood goes out injured and then we go drop Cordy and play first gamers instead. It baffles the mind. We just keep trotting out the same old midfielders and 1000 HBFers and expect it'll eventually work??