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06-07-2020, 02:05 PM
#856
Re: MRO Thread
Well, we're asking the question.
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06-07-2020, 02:08 PM
#857
Re: MRO Thread
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06-07-2020, 02:09 PM
#858
Re: MRO Thread
Originally Posted by
Rocket Science
Well, we're asking the question.
So we should
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06-07-2020, 02:25 PM
#859
Re: MRO Thread
Originally Posted by
Mitcha
It's time for us to roll the dice on this one and not keep meekly surrendering. Was nowhere near as violent as what Burgoyne dished out earlier in the year and got off (good bloke excuse notwithstanding). The North player had BOTH arms free and should have been somewhat responsible for protecting himself. Regarding Jack Redden's punch to Blakey while on the ground, didn't Lachie Hunter get a week for the exact same thing round one last season. Different sets of rules for different players and different clubs and about time we stood up for ourselves and highlighted the inconsistencies.
Fully agree, we should challenge even if it means a 2 week penalty
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06-07-2020, 02:52 PM
#860
Re: MRO Thread
Even the accepting of an early suspension vs risking an additional week is complete bullshit as a concept. You have highly questionable decisions on inconsistently ruled matters and you risk an additional week just for asking a reasonable question?
It's a complete shitshow.
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06-07-2020, 05:08 PM
#861
Re: MRO Thread
Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
Agree with you regarding consistency, however personally I feel the tackle Crozier laid was fair, where the player tackled had the option to brace for impact but decided to handball instead. In the same game you can fairly knee someone in the back of the head with force whilst attempting a mark, another traditional part of our game; personally I view them the same but I am aware the laws are different for the two. I think the two actions where arms are pinned then player slung certainly should be outlawed.
If we are talking head injuries in tackles a case could be made Atley was negligent in his tackle on Smith which lead to a far more serious injury.
That is a long bow to draw.
Smith was unaware and basically turned into Atley.
There are incidents that are unavoidable but Crozier did apply a slinging motion, although i do agree that his tackle was certainly on the lighter end of any scale of such tackles.
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06-07-2020, 05:13 PM
#862
Re: MRO Thread
Originally Posted by
Bulldog Joe
That is a long bow to draw.
Smith was unaware and basically turned into Atley.
There are incidents that are unavoidable but Crozier did apply a slinging motion, although i do agree that his tackle was certainly on the lighter end of any scale of such tackles.
You could argue it's on the onus of the tackler not to tackle a player who is completely unaware he is about to be tackled. Obviously i'm purely playing devils advocate and that would be a ridiculous expectation but the comparison is somewhat relevant.
The thing with Crozier's tackle is also that his momentum was going in the direction of the supposed "swing". It would be very difficult for him to stop his momentum and apply an effective tackle. I think he did as much as he could to not hurt the guy. I can see both sides of the coin but if he gets a week for that it's going to set an interesting precedent for tackling going forward.
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06-07-2020, 05:29 PM
#863
Re: MRO Thread
Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
You could argue it's on the onus of the tackler not to tackle a player who is completely unaware he is about to be tackled. Obviously i'm purely playing devils advocate and that would be a ridiculous expectation but the comparison is somewhat relevant.
The thing with Crozier's tackle is also that his momentum was going in the direction of the supposed "swing". It would be very difficult for him to stop his momentum and apply an effective tackle. I think he did as much as he could to not hurt the guy. I can see both sides of the coin but if he gets a week for that it's going to set an interesting precedent for tackling going forward.
Yes I think that's right. I certainly wouldn't advocate Atley being in any trouble for it, however it was deemed a legal tackle that caused a serious head injury. That was my comparison in saying I believe Crozier also tackled legally, between the knees and shoulders; the discussion point being the perceived sling/momentum into the turf. No one likes to see head injuries but it happens during fair play. I'm glad we challenged be interesting to see what arguments we use at the tribunal. Good discussion.
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06-07-2020, 05:31 PM
#864
Re: MRO Thread
Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
You could argue it's on the onus of the tackler not to tackle a player who is completely unaware he is about to be tackled. Obviously i'm purely playing devils advocate and that would be a ridiculous expectation but the comparison is somewhat relevant.
The thing with Crozier's tackle is also that his momentum was going in the direction of the supposed "swing". It would be very difficult for him to stop his momentum and apply an effective tackle. I think he did as much as he could to not hurt the guy. I can see both sides of the coin but if he gets a week for that it's going to set an interesting precedent for tackling going forward.
There are precedents and Bulldog precedents.
With the MRO we are much more likely to cop the suspension, evidence Hunter, Cordy, Redpath and Hayes.
Unfortunately we can't actually challenge someone else getting off even if the tribunal affirms the suspension.
It won't prevent the profile player exemption being applied in the future.
If the tackle had been laid by Bont or Shaun Higgins, I feel confident it would have been no case to answer.
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06-07-2020, 05:40 PM
#865
Re: MRO Thread
Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
The thing with Crozier's tackle is also that his momentum was going in the direction of the supposed "swing". It would be very difficult for him to stop his momentum and apply an effective tackle. I think he did as much as he could to not hurt the guy. I can see both sides of the coin but if he gets a week for that it's going to set an interesting precedent for tackling going forward.
If the suspension is upheld the precedent is that ANY tackle that results in a player hitting their head on the ground with a reasonable amount of force will be a suspension, regardless of how the tackle is executed. I think that is a ridiculous precedent.
On one hand they adjust the holding the ball interpretation to reward the tackler and on the other they want to punish tacklers for reasonably executed tackles that may occasionally be unfortunate enough to cause injury.
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07-07-2020, 10:42 AM
#866
Re: MRO Thread
When do we find out about Crozier?
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07-07-2020, 11:10 AM
#867
Re: MRO Thread
Originally Posted by
comrade
When do we find out about Crozier?
Tribunal is tonight.
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07-07-2020, 06:22 PM
#868
Re: MRO Thread
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07-07-2020, 07:41 PM
#869
Re: MRO Thread
Originally Posted by
Rocket Science
Well, we're asking the question.
And we have our answer.
Crozier suspension upheld.
Can't say I'm shocked.
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07-07-2020, 07:43 PM
#870
Re: MRO Thread
Originally Posted by
Rocket Science
And we have our answer.
Crozier suspension upheld.
Can't say I'm shocked.
Absolutely ridiculous. The AFL bent over backward to make sure Shaun Burgoyne didn't cope a game, yet Crozier goes for a much less forceful tackle.