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22-10-2020, 04:28 PM
#721
Re: 2020 Player movement
Originally Posted by
Mofra
It may take our first rounder to get him out, if he was available
No way. Rucks cost stuff all. Unless they are elite they are cheap. It's why I'm dead against using a good (anything in the top 30) draft pick on them.
Previous ruck trades have included:
-Sam Jacobs for a future fourth
-Billy Frampton for a future fourth
-Paddy Ryder a steak knives in the Dougal Howard trade
-Darcy Cameron for a 6 pick upgrade to 56
-Zac Smith for pick 58
-Marc Pittonet for what amounted to a 5 pick upgrade to 54
-Andrew Phillips for a 3 pick upgrade to 57
CCJ may be slightly higher rated than some of them and was a relatively high draft pick but rucks depreciate faster than cars, he is worth nothing and would be a good target.
I should leave it alone but you're not right
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22-10-2020, 05:01 PM
#722
Re: 2020 Player movement
Hands tied: Why two big Vic clubs can't trade first pick
ESSENDON and Hawthorn will be unable to offload their first-round draft picks in trade deals this year unless they can obtain a second prized selection.
And West Coast will also be blocked from trading its 2021 future first-round pick unless it can acquire an early choice this year.
Under the AFL's future trading rules clubs must use two first-round picks at the NAB AFL Draft over a rolling four-year period to ensure they aren't able to swap selections and trade themselves into long-term list strife.
There is a clause in the rule that allows clubs to apply for permission to trade out their picks even if they haven't met the rolling two-in-four criteria. The AFL in that case would assess the quality and age of the players brought into the club for those first-round picks.
The Bombers haven't used a first-round pick since they selected Andrew McGrath with the No.1 overall choice in the 2016 intake, having traded out their first pick in 2017 in a deal for Devon Smith and their 2018 and 2019 first-round selections to land Dylan Shiel.
The Bombers entered round 17 sitting in 12th position, which would hand them pick No.6 (after Fremantle's adjusted pick due to its points deficit).
Hawthorn, too, has only used one first-round pick in the past four years, which was exciting youngster Will Day last year. The Hawks traded their first selection for 2017 as part of the deal to secure Jaeger O'Meara and then used their first pick in 2018 to recruit Chad Wingard from Port Adelaide.
The clubs are headed for top picks at this year's NAB AFL Draft, with the Hawks currently holding pick No.3, which would be their earliest selection since 2005.
Tall forwards Logan McDonald and Riley Thilthorpe, key defender Denver Grainger-Barras and midfielder Elijah Hollands would be in the mix for the Hawks' pick if it remains in that spot.
The Hawks, however, can trade their 2021 first-round pick if they hold on to their 2020 top selection.
The clubs would be able to trade their respective first-round selections for different picks later in the first round. They could also deal them if they brought in any extra first-round picks as part of other trades or as free agency compensation.
For example, if Joe Daniher left Essendon as a restricted free agent and the Bombers received a first-round compensation pick for him, they would then be able to trade one of them.
The Bombers' interest in fellow restricted free agent Brad Crouch does create a fascinating backdrop to the upcoming free agency period, however, for if Essendon was to secure Crouch as a free agent that would rule out any compensation they would receive if Daniher was to depart. It would essentially be a straight swap.
Such a case happened in 2013, when Eddie Betts left Carlton and the Blues didn't receive a compensation pick under free agency rules because they had recruited Dale Thomas as a free agent.
The Eagles traded out their first-round picks in 2019 and 2020 last year to bring star midfielder Tim Kelly back to Western Australia, having used first-round picks in 2016-17 when the rolling period was underway.
Having now gone three seasons without a first-round pick, the Eagles will be barred from sending their 2021 first-round pick to any club in a trade deal.
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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22-10-2020, 05:10 PM
#723
Re: 2020 Player movement
Originally Posted by
soupaman
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CCJ may be slightly higher rated than some of them and was a relatively high draft pick but rucks depreciate faster than cars, he is worth nothing and would be a good target.
CCJ would be worth roughly what Tim English would have been worth a year ago. No way we would have considered trading English for a later pick last trade period.
Drafted with a similar pick, one year later (2017 draft vs English in the 2016 draft).
I'm not so sure we want a third ruck option a similar age to English and Sweet anyway. I'd imagine we'd want one a couple of years older, someone with a mature body. If we wanted a kid, Sam Hayes from Port would be more gettable than CCJ.
Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers
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22-10-2020, 05:38 PM
#724
Re: 2020 Player movement
The 6th GWS player could be moving:
Zac Langdon to West Coast
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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22-10-2020, 05:48 PM
#725
Re: 2020 Player movement
Originally Posted by
bornadog
The 6th GWS player could be moving:
Zac Langdon to West Coast
Lulz.
That ol' 'Lost Dogs Home' gag's looking preeeeeeeetty sweet about now.
BORDERLINE FLYING
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22-10-2020, 06:50 PM
#726
Re: 2020 Player movement
Originally Posted by
bornadog
GWS midfielder Jye Caldwell has requested a trade and nominated Essendon as his preferred home
The negotiations on this one should be pretty funny. Love to be a fly on the wall.
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22-10-2020, 07:19 PM
#727
Re: 2020 Player movement
Originally Posted by
bornadog
GWS midfielder Jye Caldwell has requested a trade and nominated Essendon as his preferred home
"Some men you just can't reach."
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22-10-2020, 07:53 PM
#728
Re: 2020 Player movement
Originally Posted by
Mofra
It may take our first rounder to get him out, if he was available
If Richmond have others they prefer I suspect he would come a fair bit cheaper than that. Our pick 36 which will get pushed down the order is more around the mark
If we used pick 12 we would want a fair bit coming back to us in terms of points
Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"
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22-10-2020, 09:10 PM
#729
Re: 2020 Player movement
Originally Posted by
Mofra
I'm not so sure we want a third ruck option a similar age to English and Sweet anyway. I'd imagine we'd want one a couple of years older, someone with a mature body. If we wanted a kid, Sam Hayes from Port would be more gettable than CCJ.
I get the sentiment but while English needs more time he is the preferred option with Bevo, the coach has also said Sweet isn't ready and we will lose Trengove. At the very least we might be able to land a player with three years experience on a senior list and from a good program who can play in a couple of positions.
Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"
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23-10-2020, 01:56 PM
#730
Re: 2020 Player movement
So it’s being reported that Adelaide will take on two saints players as part of the Crouch deal so that the saints will then up the contract for Crouch which will bring higher compensation to the crows. Surely this is tampering. This cannot be allowed. Compensation needs to be scrapped.
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23-10-2020, 02:00 PM
#731
Re: 2020 Player movement
Originally Posted by
bulldogsthru&thru
So it’s being reported that Adelaide will take on two saints players as part of the Crouch deal so that the saints will then up the contract for Crouch which will bring higher compensation to the crows. Surely this is tampering. This cannot be allowed. Compensation needs to be scrapped.
My understanding of the compo is that it's the average of the contract that they consider? So they can't really front end. Not sure why the Saints would want to help out the Crows in this regard. I find that very odd.
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23-10-2020, 02:28 PM
#732
Re: 2020 Player movement
Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
My understanding of the compo is that it's the average of the contract that they consider? So they can't really front end. Not sure why the Saints would want to help out the Crows in this regard. I find that very odd.
So the Crows don't match the FA offer, therefore triggering a trade. It means Saints can get him without giving up a pick.
Surely the AFL stamp that out, it's 100% tampering.
Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.
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23-10-2020, 02:33 PM
#733
Re: 2020 Player movement
Originally Posted by
comrade
So the Crows don't match the FA offer, therefore triggering a trade. It means Saints can get him without giving up a pick.
Surely the AFL stamp that out, it's 100% tampering.
Seems a modern reimagining of the Veale deal.
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23-10-2020, 02:48 PM
#734
Re: 2020 Player movement
Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
My understanding of the compo is that it's the average of the contract that they consider? So they can't really front end. Not sure why the Saints would want to help out the Crows in this regard. I find that very odd.
The idea is that the trade of the two saints players is a seperate transaction and takes salary off the saints’ books that can be given to Crouch. The saints are more than happy to offload those players. Think it was Webster and Dunstan.
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23-10-2020, 03:31 PM
#735
Re: 2020 Player movement
Originally Posted by
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
Seems a modern reimagining of the Veale deal.
Yeah, if it's allowed through it would be some nifty trading on Saints behalf. Seems like they are firing at full capacity with Lethlean calling the shots.
Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.