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31-10-2020, 01:22 PM
#1006
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
Mofra
So.... whispers that Elliot Yeo is gettable....
Come again? How is this even possible?
Don't tell Essington.
But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.
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31-10-2020, 04:45 PM
#1007
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
ledge
Good reference point actually.
A bit like English good against the mediocre in the ruck.
Don’t get me wrong Engish is a very good player just not in the ruck.
Cox is a very limited player, when the ball hits the ground he is nowhere as good as English.
A good forward as a target up high but a very mediocre ruck , pretty much a one trick pony.
Is English bad in the ruck? or just not good enough.
You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus
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31-10-2020, 05:25 PM
#1008
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
Ghost Dog
Is English bad in the ruck? or just not good enough.
Personally, not good enough to be the #1 ruck.
Ideally we would have a Goldstein/nankervis type as our #1 and English as #2 for mine, and I would get English to roam between the 50’s.
I will never see #16 the same!!
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31-10-2020, 06:43 PM
#1009
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
Ghost Dog
Is English bad in the ruck? or just not good enough.
He can beat up on the bad ruckmen and shows ability at times against good ones but mostly gets beat up by them.
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31-10-2020, 06:52 PM
#1010
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
Ghost Dog
Is English bad in the ruck? or just not good enough.
GD I will give you a different view. At his age he is tracking just as well as the Goldys of the world at the same age.
He gets beaten by the better ruckman, but another couple of years and he will be a big weapon
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31-10-2020, 07:25 PM
#1011
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
bornadog
GD I will give you a different view. At his age he is tracking just as well as the Goldys of the world at the same age.
He gets beaten by the better ruckman, but another couple of years and he will be a big weapon
He is already a big weapon. Just not in the ruck.
Elimination final: 8 hitouts. A dozen might have won the game.
And the rest of the team isn’t being moulded around his strengths.
Elimination final: in the first quarter Bulldog players spoiled his attempts at marking 3 times. Why are they anywhere near him in those situations?
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31-10-2020, 07:46 PM
#1012
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
bornadog
GD I will give you a different view. At his age he is tracking just as well as the Goldys of the world at the same age.
He gets beaten by the better ruckman, but another couple of years and he will be a big weapon
He is a big weapon as an around the ground tall, when he is playing with confidence. He was immense in the West Coast game (no NicNat) apart from the ruck.
He can get hitouts to advantage, but his ruck ability is way below standard. It may get to standard, but it may not.
Bevo likes the really tall midfielder he brings but I think we need a strategy to neutralise the ruck.
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31-10-2020, 08:08 PM
#1013
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Thanks for the perspective Danjul, Bad and BJoe.
Incredible agility for the height. What were they feeding him as a lad?
I'd prefer we not destroy his body in the ruck too early. Great highlights reel so far.
We are a bit impatient and forget how young these guys are.
You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus
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31-10-2020, 10:25 PM
#1014
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
bornadog
GD I will give you a different view. At his age he is tracking just as well as the Goldys of the world at the same age.
He gets beaten by the better ruckman, but another couple of years and he will be a big weapon
Agreed. He is young and is rucking alone. What do people expect?
But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.
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31-10-2020, 10:51 PM
#1015
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Agreed. He is young and is rucking alone. What do people expect?
Many don’t expect a young, underdeveloped ruckman to ruck alone for years to the detriment of both him and the team.
A brilliant midfield is dragged down, the backline is put under unnecessary pressure and the opposition is made more confident.
Elimination final: It took St Kilda 6 seconds from the starting siren to get the ball within 30 metres of goal.
This raises the stress levels for the supporters who anticipated a ruck stuff up (because they had watched game 2 of the season).
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31-10-2020, 11:52 PM
#1016
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Agreed. He is young and is rucking alone. What do people expect?
Exactly, I did say give him a few more years, plus he is tracking the same as some of the best rucks in Goldy and Gawn at the same age.
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01-11-2020, 12:34 AM
#1017
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Exactly, I did say give him a few more years, plus he is tracking the same as some of the best rucks in Goldy and Gawn at the same age.
I think the issue is... 2 years is a long time and if winning ruck contests is important, we need to start that from next year. In 2 years the rest of the squad are 2 years older and that means some playing worse than now.
English should be developed. But not at the detriment to our chances of winning a flag. It feels like it would hurt us next year if we don’t have another decent ruck.
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01-11-2020, 08:42 AM
#1018
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
Ghost Dog
Is English bad in the ruck? or just not good enough.
I just think he isn’t big enough in the upper body yet and learnt all the craft, I believe he will be good though eventually.
Bring back the biff
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01-11-2020, 10:22 AM
#1019
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
ledge
I just think he isn’t big enough in the upper body yet and learnt all the craft, I believe he will be good though eventually.
I believe he is plenty big enough, but he does not have the craft.
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01-11-2020, 10:43 AM
#1020
Re: List Management for 2020/21
Originally Posted by
Bulldog Joe
I believe he is plenty big enough, but he does not have the craft.
This is my viewpoint as well.
I really think he is actually the perfect second ruck. I look at what St.Kilda did, they had Rowan Marshall who had a fantastic year as the sole ruck but realised he was good enough to hold his own as a spare tall and they brought in Ryder to do the bulk of the ruckwork releasing Marshall to contribute elsewhere. I think if we did similiar, using someone like Goldstein, it would make us a better side and English a better player.
We've talked a little about getting a third tall forward in to help English but the obvious targets like Cox and Wright do not compliment our forward setup with Bruce and Naughton at all. I think English does.
I should leave it alone but you're not right
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