Trade Dunkley

[comrade]

Sam Edmund reporting that him + every other list manager in the league doesn't think the Dunkley deal gets done, at all, Essendon just can't get what we want for him.

Good, *!*!*!*! Dodo and *!*!*!*! Essendon.

If Dodo drops the ball on this and can't get a deal done, Dunks is going to have to sell a few extra birthday video messages to make up for the shortfall he was hoping to make at the Bombers

[Axe Man]

True. Unless she wants to live there after contract.

Treloar has last year and this year refused to consider the Suns, wants to play in Victoria. If he wanted Gold Coast he would already be there. Apparently they will move there after his career is done but not interested in playing there.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Treloar 5 x $900k. It's a ridiculous contract to take on in a position which is not a position of need.

He'll be 28 at the start of the season and it's a five year deal. Do we really think a 32 year old burst mid is going to be worth $900k in 2025?
For that price we could snare an A grade KPD - Stephen May is on less. Lever is on ~$750 as per media reports, who knows what Weiering is on, Harris Andrews. That's the calibre of player in that contract range.

With respect Mofra, Treloar has been a much higher level performer than May and Lever. Now sure Mays just had a good year, but hes had plenty of poor ones, Lever has been impacted by injury but I wouldnt have thought either were consistent performers.

Harris and Weitering have likely been well remunerated from the start and almost impossible to shake loose - and Weitering has only really just had his first good year.

Pies may have overpaid but AT has been a v.good player for them - he may not be a key back but his genuine game breaking run and carry has added a lot.

[GVGjr]

Anyone getting the impression that Power is saying no to both Dodoro and Jeemak wishes to trade Dunkley

[Danjul]

With respect Mofra, Treloar has been a much higher level performer than May and Lever. Now sure Mays just had a good year, but hes had plenty of poor ones, Lever has been impacted by injury but I wouldnt have thought either were consistent performers.

Harris and Weitering have likely been well remunerated from the start and almost impossible to shake loose - and Weitering has only really just had his first good year.

Pies may have overpaid but AT has been a v.good player for them - he may not be a key back but his genuine game breaking run and carry has added a lot.

Treloar has only taken the field 8 times this season.

And when he did his contributions seemed to be in sync with Grundy. Here’s two consecutive games.

Grundy: 46, 24 hitouts
Treloar: 34, 22 disposals

We saw that when English was able to win in the ruck both Macrae and Bont were able to straighten up our centre clearances and kick with some precision to full forward area.

How would Treloar go with a losing ruck. We already have some specialists. Our biggest need is a ruckman.

[Mofra]

With respect Mofra, Treloar has been a much higher level performer than May and Lever. Now sure Mays just had a good year, but hes had plenty of poor ones, Lever has been impacted by injury but I wouldnt have thought either were consistent performers.

I'm not so sure about that - none of them have been AA, and it's a hell of a lot harder to find a quality KPD than it is to find a quality midfielder.
Stephen May has been a club captain for two years while Treloar is being actively pushed out of the door by his current club.

Given we're talking about this in the context of our current trading period, if we were going to spend $900k on a player I'd much rather we look at an A grade KPD than an A grade midfielder.

[Doc26]

Anyone getting the impression that Power is saying no to both Dodoro and Jeemak wishes to trade Dunkley

If Dodoro is positioning to Sammy Power a Dunkley trade based on what Goddard and Edmund are spruiking on Trade Radio right now, that is, valuing Dunks at no more than one first round for Dunkley, I'd be shutting up shop immediately.

We've been referencing the Shiel trade as a baseline for any Dunkley discussions. Shiel was coming out of contract, and IMO Dunkley offers Essendon so much more in terms of their need for a big bull inside mid and a young leader akin to what Callan Ward provided GWS with.

Essendon appear to be offering him the world, coming straight into their leadership group at 23 years of age. Further, going into 2021, Essendon without landing Dunkley will look so much MORE pedestrian having lost Saad, Daniher and Fantasia, and a list that is terribly unbalanced and by all accounts fractured.

They will be DESPERATE to announce this trade more than any other, and have done the hard work by having Dunkley commit to breaking his contract.

Given these circumstances, our minimum starting point for us to even consider Dunks moving has to be Essendon coughing up 2 firsts, with a single first downright offensive. Anything less and I'll be spewing up.

After a week of negotiations following Shiel nominating the Bombers as his preferred home at the start of the trade period, the clubs agreed on the deal just eight minutes before the 8.30pm deadline.

Essendon gave up two first-round picks – No.9 this year and next year's first-round selection – in return for Shiel and the Giants' second-round pick next year.

List manager Adrian Dodoro said it was a battle to get Shiel over the line before the deadline, but said the club was excited to welcome a quality player to the club.

"It was a bit of a fight there this afternoon," Dodoro laughed

"Apologies to the Essendon fans for waiting, but we got there and that's the main thing.

At the end of the day, he's a quality player and once GWS was able to release some players, they realised they had the capacity to keep him."

Well Dodoro, we certainly have the capacity to keep Dunks, and is our expressed desire to keep him for the same reasons that you're trying to pry him from us under contract.

[bornadog]

Memo to POWER: Don't trade Dunkley - Essendon are too hard to deal with.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

The only way Dunkley doesn't play for us next year is if we cave or his blog suddenly takes off.

There is no way Essendon will give up what we would like as fair value for a contracted player, soon to be in his prime. Let's not forget that Dunks is worth more to the bummers than us. So they need to tempt us, not the other way around like the media are reporting.

[bulldogtragic]

Memo to POWER: Don't trade Dunkley - Essendon are too hard to deal with.

We should just give them a non negotiable deadline. Midday tomorrow. Then let Dunkley's manager heap the immense pressure on Dodoro tomorrow morning.

[mjp]

Treloar 5 x $900k. It's a ridiculous contract to take on in a position which is not a position of need.

You know backup ruckman get $650/$700K right?

Treloar is a victim of that "team first" mentality that gets so many players caught out. He agreed to 'push money back' in his own deal to enable the pies to sign other players...Dayne Beams first amongst them. From what I understand, an extra year was offered when this was done and the short-term pay cut was significant (in the hundreds of thousands).

He is a top quality mid with undoubted leg speed, one elite skill (first handball receive player) and considerable x-factor. He kicks it pretty well despite some claims to the contrary.

Do we need him? Well - I worry that he isn't really *WHAT* we need...but he is a bloody good player. His weakness is that real commitment to two way running and I don't like the idea of him being in a midfield with Bont, J-Mac and Liber who don't exactly excel in that area...Smith has potential there at least.

I still think we need more grunt - which is why I don't mind the idea of Hannan coming in for Lloyd...I just think our flankers and wingers are a little bit 'pretty' these days and whilst I appreciate the overall 'talent' of our group, there is a big difference from being a talented player and a GOOD player. I have harped on about the premature retirement of Matty Boyd (2017 was ruined due to concussion but he was back playing good footy by the end of it) and Picken enough...but we need players like those two, like Clay Smith (though hopefully better by foot!), like the most obvious one, Dale Morris.

I worry that Richards will never become that type of committed player...that Dale wont, that Le Young wont, that Lloyd wont, that Schache wont...I worry that when things get tough we will have too many passengers on the bus and not enough with their feet in the mud pushing. I can see the attributes in so many of our players that caught the attention of our recruiters...but I wonder if we just have overlooked that one critical element that enabled Morris to tackle Franklin in the centre square on GF day. I wonder if Treloar has that - and if our pursuit of him (if that is what it is) is more associated with seeing a shiny new toy to seeing something that we really, really need.

[Ghost Dog]

Nah send him to the ruck for the first 8 games straight for punishment!

[Bulldog Revolution]

I'm not so sure about that - none of them have been AA, and it's a hell of a lot harder to find a quality KPD than it is to find a quality midfielder.
Stephen May has been a club captain for two years while Treloar is being actively pushed out of the door by his current club.

Given we're talking about this in the context of our current trading period, if we were going to spend $900k on a player I'd much rather we look at an A grade KPD than an A grade midfielder.

I take your point - that they key position player is more valuable if they are A graders but I guess I just wouldnt have committed that money to May or Lever - but for Harris Andrews or McGovern yes

[bornadog]

And if rumour is true, Philips is on 600k.

"Jaidyn Stephenson does not want to go anywhere. He signed a quiet little contract extension last year, he's on close to $600,000 a year"- Sam Edmund

Another ridiculous amount

[SquirrelGrip]

"Jaidyn Stephenson does not want to go anywhere. He signed a quiet little contract extension last year, he's on close to $600,000 a year"- Sam Edmund

Another ridiculous amount

So who is NOT getting overpaid at Collingwood? That's who we should be targeting.