[QUOTE=Mantis;73997]I presume that I am one these individuals who do not value him? Well I do value what he can offer, in simple terms he offers long & accurate kicking, but I get very dissappointed that we don't see this often enough.
I hadn't noticed you bag him. I haven't noticed who has, just that it is in contrast with the team selection and media reckoning.
I defer to your, Lemmon's and Sunshines opinion that he is on limited tenure because his skills are waning and superseeded because he's one dimensional. I suspect he will be replaced during the season unless he finds good form.
The calls of his demise have just been a bit premature.
The good news is his heart didn't fail since Port gambled against it. He's given us good service.
We'll have to - and thats fine.
I really hope he has improved - as with any Bulldog - I hope they do well and he can prove himself as a necessary part of the team - but what I have seen so far I'm not convinced his positives outweigh his negatives - but time will tell.
At this stage, I certainly wouldn't be picking him if Williams, Hargrave, Everitt, Morris and Lake were all fit (or even if 4 of those 5 were ready to go).
As for Eagleton, you know what you're getting with him - he frustrates the hell out of supporters, and he tends to be a bit of a front runner - but he is also a fairly smart player that gets space and creates - and Eade has made him a far tougher player than the 'skirt' he was when he first came to the club - he actaully always 'go's' when its his turn to.
For me, on Eagleton - the bottom line is - he is at an age where you have to ask - 'How much more are you going to get out of him?'. He's not going to be a better player this year, and he is probably becoming a fringe player anyway. So to be honest - I would've have been happy enough for us to have let him go before this year.
I will assume that all you drop kicks that critisize a player of Nathan Eagletons ability can actually do better? Where do you retards get off on hanging shit on a player who tries his hardest even if it appears to us mere mortals that it is not enough!!!!!!!!!!!!! give the man a break and if any of you morons that hang it on him can actually think, (and I doubt it) remember the long bombs and the 50 metre passes he has executed over the last few years, we need the likes of Nathan to show the youngsters how to actually kick the f#@%&ing ball and not over hanball. Come on guy's give the dude a break.
Greggles, you have been swearing on almost every post tonight and evading the filter all the time The use of the word retard is simply not acceptable here. Either exercise some control with your temper or you can leave this forum all together.
By all means constructively challenge the views of others because after all this is a discussion forum however, constant swear filter evading and calling people retards will not be tolerated.
I think that the Eagle still has a role to play in our team, much like Johno he has faded a bit - but still contributes.
I was a huge Eagle fan when he came over and Dog's fans were bagging him. I thought he gave the side a dimension it lacked -- ie. a fast, straight running, long kicking player that straightened up the team.
But that time has long past. A one-dimensional player has to be able to execute that one-dimension. With no right foot to speak of, he is a weak link in the team that other coaches have been exploiting for a while now -- you know where he is turning to, and, under pressure, you where he's going to kick it to. I've seen Eagle's kicks either smothered of go straight to an opposition player standing waiting for it many times these past couple of years. If he manages to get an effective offensive kick away often he has had to twist and turn three, four times just to get into position, and in such a fast paced game with a premium on time, it's a luxury he can't often afford.
But the straw that broke the camel's back, and certainly has shown that he has no future in the team, is that he didn't stand up in the finals when he had a chance to put the Dogs in front against Geelong. If a bloke who is only in the team for his ability to kick the ball a long way doesn't even make the distance when kicking from 40 metres right in front, from a set shot, that's your career, over.
There have been others to do the same over the years (Southern, Minson) but they are in the team for their other traits. If you can't produce in a final, in the most crucial moment of the match, with the ONLY skill you are being paid for, that says something. It's not as if he missed it for a behind etc... it didn't even make the damn distance.
I'm not skilled enough to bag players who are unable to play AFL. Doesn't mean that I can't believe that Eagleton is no longer AFL quality.
Can he do it anymore though? Granted his kicking ability was a penetrative weapon in days gone by but without it you've got to ask if he's good enough
I think they just do what the coach says, not Eagleton